Joe. Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 One swallow doesn't make a summer, there's no doubting Schweinsteiger's ability, and I am a fan of his, but that tag is ridiculous. I know, I couldn't believe it when I heard one of the commentary say something sarcastic about him making a mistake like it was a precious thing. He started off as German football's golden boy before a lengthy period of shite. And who knows, he may not have even been playing had it not been for Ballack. That said, he is having a superb tournament in that position. But to say he's one of the best in the world in that position is way too far. EDIT: The best even! Haha! Ridiculous.
marbelladave Posted 3 July 2010 Posted 3 July 2010 Interesting comments about Germany, I must have been watching a different game... The Argentinians were clearly the more skillful, more talented side. they dominated huge amounts of the play yet still lost 4-0. The Germans played as a team, they had a plan, they worked incredibly hard to implement that plan and used their best players to maximum effect, at no point did Argentina match them in those respects. Germany were not brilliant, they were simply harder working, better organised and more determined than a very poor Argentina team. In the 'normal' world only Schweinsteiger and maybe Kloser and Lahm would get into the Argentine side but as England have clearly forgotten, football is a team game. What is really annoying is that if we look at the individual qualities of the German players, we can see that with the possible exception of Schweinsteiger England have players every bit as good in virtually every position, what they do not have at the present time is the ability and desire to put it together as a team!
iBleedLeicesterColours Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 No. One swallow doesn't make a summer, there's no doubting Schweinsteiger's ability, and I am a fan of his, but that tag is ridiculous. I've never really rated Argentina under Maradona, and my word, how they could've done with the likes of Juan Riquelme (who quit after a rift with Maradona) today, someone to piece everything together. The omission of Cambiasso from the squad was a blunder as well. Right now nobody is better. Okay in the past and probably in the future Xavi, Fabregas, Essien, Gerrard, Lampard (Okay they had crap world cups) are better. But for the current month Schweinsteiger has been the best.
Koke Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 Germany were not brilliant, they were simply harder working, better organised and more determined than a very poor Argentina team. In the 'normal' world only Schweinsteiger and maybe Kloser and Lahm would get into the Argentine side but as England have clearly forgotten, football is a team game. Thomas Muller, Phillip Lahm, Bastian S., both German CB's would all get into the Argie side. Perhaps even the keeper would. That's 6 of the German players. Half of the Argie side wouldn't get into the German side. Nicolas Otamendi, Nicholas Burdisso Angel di Maria, Martin Demichelis, Sergio Romero are not good enough for the German side.
Guest Bilo Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 Aye. Them and the kid Aaron Ramsey. Andy King would have the lot of them for breakfast.
marbelladave Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 Thomas Muller, Phillip Lahm, Bastian S., both German CB's would all get into the Argie side. Perhaps even the keeper would. That's 6 of the German players. Half of the Argie side wouldn't get into the German side. Nicolas Otamendi, Nicholas Burdisso Angel di Maria, Martin Demichelis, Sergio Romero are not good enough for the German side. Muller's a reasonable shout, the centerbacks are much of a muchness and I don't rate Neuer at all. The point is before the game everyone was creaming themselves over Argentina and I do not think my statement is far from the mark from opinion taken before the game. Now everyone is creaming themselves over Germany, it's just the way it is. Generally you do not come across as a 'tabloid fan' so you know that by and large I am right. Argentina were, along with Spain, favourites, Germany were average and had no chance. Fortunately they actually bothered to play the game!...
BlueSi13 Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 So to summise, Australia, England and Argentina make the mistake of conceding early and then go on to concede 4... Lesson for Spain, look how Serbia and Ghana contained the Germans and made them look distinctly average by keeping the ball and rendering the German tactic of sitting back and trying to hit on the counter redundant.
C-man Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 Why does simply appreciating the football on show from certain countries now class as 'rimming' or 'creaming over'?
lcfc_jme Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 So to summise, Australia, England and Argentina make the mistake of conceding early and then go on to concede 4... Lesson for Spain, look how Serbia and Ghana contained the Germans and made them look distinctly average by keeping the ball and rendering the German tactic of sitting back and trying to hit on the counter redundant. I wouldn't necessarily say Serbia made Germany look distinctly average; if anything, I'm pretty sure Germany had more shots on target and shots in general, more corners, more possession and managed to miss a penalty despite playing for the majority of the game with 10 men after a harsh red card. Ghana did a better job of neutralising the Germans than Serbia, more to do with their pace, athleticism and directness in running at Germany's one-paced central defenders. I can't see Spain attempting to force the pace the way both England and Argentina did against the Germans, they'll be happy to retain possession and be patient in their build up, which will benefit them immensely and cause Germany a new problem. However, if the Spanish defend even remotely like they did against Paraguay, they'll get exactly the same treatment as Australia, England and Argentina. Obviously would love a German win, but can't see it and I reckon Spain will take it in a close-fought game. If that happens, hopefully Spain can hit top-gear and play an expansive game to win the tournament. Wishful thinking more than probable outcome, methinks.
Floating Fox Posted 4 July 2010 Posted 4 July 2010 Got no idea how anyone could support Argentina over Germany for this one really. Glad the boys taught the men a lesson
marbelladave Posted 5 July 2010 Posted 5 July 2010 Why does simply appreciating the football on show from certain countries now class as 'rimming' or 'creaming over'? it doesn't. 'Appreciating the football' is one thing, getting full of shit and making more of what you have seen, so that you can show that you are in the know, is not! The bollocks spouted about Brazil and Argentina in the run up to this Tournament would fill a thread of DJ proportions. They are gone, simply not good enough, but the 'tabloid fans' need something to get excited about so the new Brazil is...Germany! Just more bollocks. Looking at the performances from the most 'fancied' teams, it is possible to see just how far a decent England side could have gone this time around, shame really!
MC Prussian Posted 5 July 2010 Posted 5 July 2010 it doesn't. 'Appreciating the football' is one thing, getting full of shit and making more of what you have seen, so that you can show that you are in the know, is not! The bollocks spouted about Brazil and Argentina in the run up to this Tournament would fill a thread of DJ proportions. They are gone, simply not good enough, but the 'tabloid fans' need something to get excited about so the new Brazil is...Germany! Just more bollocks. Looking at the performances from the most 'fancied' teams, it is possible to see just how far a decent England side could have gone this time around, shame really! If it was only a newspaper invention, I'd wholeheartedly agree. BUT... it's not just me - hundreds of thousands of football fans (and they're not just German) have been looking forward to some decent attacking football at this year's World Cup. And looking at the way the Germans play, it does indeed remind one of the "classic" Brazilian style from the 70ies. Germany have so far played the most attractive and efficient football out of all teams participating. They play with joy AND dedication (you can tell they want to win) - I can't say that about a lot of other national squads I've seen "performing".
marbelladave Posted 5 July 2010 Posted 5 July 2010 If it was only a newspaper invention, I'd wholeheartedly agree. BUT... it's not just me - hundreds of thousands of football fans (and they're not just German) have been looking forward to some decent attacking football at this year's World Cup. And looking at the way the Germans play, it does indeed remind one of the "classic" Brazilian style from the 70ies. Germany have so far played the most attractive and efficient football out of all teams participating. They play with joy AND dedication (you can tell they want to win) - I can't say that about a lot of other national squads I've seen "performing". Great attacking football has been largely absent from the World cup Cup in recent years but of course we all hope for better. Germany are not yet a great side, in a World Cup devoid of real class they have played well three times, twice against woeful opposition (Australia, England) and looked pretty ordinary in their other two games. Comparing them with the great sides from the past, Brazilian or otherwise, is for me rather premature! Germany are one of the few sides who remember that football is a team game, unlike most of the rest they do not rely on one or two "World Class" players to win games for them, but put their trust in the team ethic. This looks like the Tournament that puts to rest the whole "Galactico" system that has been so prominent in recent tears, suddenly team play rules, on the pitch at least and I for one am pleased to see it. BTW This current Germany side remind me of Man U from a few years back, classic counter attacking with pace and flair. Solid passing game one minute and lightning raids the next...
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