Weale

[hackneyfox]

Fleckney

I got slated for having a go at Henderson on here at the time.

Same with Kisnorbo, as we hadn't let many goals so that apparently meant he was a great player.

He was a good stopper when the ball went in his direction but his distribution was awful.

[fleckneymike]

Fleckney

I got slated for having a go at Henderson on here at the time.

Same with Kisnorbo, as we hadn't let many goals so that apparently meant he was a great player.

He was a good stopper when the ball went in his direction but his distribution was awful.

Can't agree on Kisnorbo, I get dogs abuse for sticking up for him as I rate him higher than Hobbs (cue derision).

Henderson however is one of the worst keepers I've seen down the city, his kicking was a joy to behold as they veered wildly off the field of play. I understand that some people rate Conrad Logan for heavens sake.

[hackneyfox]

Well I hope you're wrong about Hobbs, but he quite clearly need a calmer head alongside him (can Brown & calmer be used together?)

[Soar Fox]

Richard wright is available on a free, could be a good back up keeper

[hackneyfox]

And then we'd have two 'mediocre at best' goalies, no thanks.

[Alexikokopops]

And then we'd have two 'mediocre at best' goalies, no thanks.

Out of curiosity, who do you think we could realistically get to replace Weale?

[HonradaRaposa]

Can't agree on Kisnorbo, I get dogs abuse for sticking up for him as I rate him higher than Hobbs (cue derision).

Henderson however is one of the worst keepers I've seen down the city, his kicking was a joy to behold as they veered wildly off the field of play. I understand that some people rate Conrad Logan for heavens sake.

Henderson was worse than Mile Hooper.

I have yet to see Hobbs put himself out of the game for 8 months through lack of basic technique. Kisnorbo was shite, as it turns out so often first impressions are correct.

[fleckneymike]

Henderson was worse than Mile Hooper.

I have yet to see Hobbs put himself out of the game for 8 months through lack of basic technique. Kisnorbo was shite, as it turns out so often first impressions are correct.

Like I said I rate Kisnorbo but the vast majority of city fans don't or didn't. His major failing was his distribution, but it was never as poor as Wayne Brown's (anyone who was at Sheff Wed away last season can testify to that) however some people seem to have confused Hobbs with Beckenbaur when it comes to bringing the ball out from the back. I've never been a fan of Hobbs but also I've never been an open critic of his as I don't think he's terrible I just happen to think this is his level and that he needs talking through a game by his defensive partner. He gets away with an awful lot of mistakes because people overlook them.

As you said first impressions are often correct, but thats because you look for things to justify an opinion (be that positive or negative) and I'm as guilty of that as anyone.

[HonradaRaposa]

Like I said I rate Kisnorbo but the vast majority of city fans don't or didn't. His major failing was his distribution, but it was never as poor as Wayne Brown's (anyone who was at Sheff Wed away last season can testify to that) however some people seem to have confused Hobbs with Beckenbaur when it comes to bringing the ball out from the back. I've never been a fan of Hobbs but also I've never been an open critic of his as I don't think he's terrible I just happen to think this is his level and that he needs talking through a game by his defensive partner. He gets away with an awful lot of mistakes because people overlook them.

As you said first impressions are often correct, but thats because you look for things to justify an opinion (be that positive or negative) and I'm as guilty of that as anyone.

If you are on about that free kick at Hillsborough then yes it is only marginally worse than when Kisnorbo bust his knee trying to kick a ball against Sheffield Wednesday, to this day I have not seen poorer technique in the professional game.

[fleckneymike]

If you are on about that free kick at Hillsborough then yes it is only marginally worse than when Kisnorbo bust his knee trying to kick a ball against Sheffield Wednesday, to this day I have not seen poorer technique in the professional game.

That free kick is burned onto my retina.

[hackneyfox]

Out of curiosity, who do you think we could realistically get to replace Weale?

As I've said before, I don't receive the lists of who is available, I have no idea of how much money is available either.

Go back through this thread, at least 5 or 6 possibilities have been mentioned already.

As I generally don't think goalies improve after they join us I would also be looking for a new goalkeeping coach, I notice that NFP didn't take Stowell as part of his team.

[andy_croydz]

As I've said before, I don't receive the lists of who is available, I have no idea of how much money is available either.

Go back through this thread, at least 5 or 6 possibilities have been mentioned already.

As I generally don't think goalies improve after they join us I would also be looking for a new goalkeeping coach, I notice that NFP didn't take Stowell as part of his team.

How do you know that goalkeepers that come to us don't improve after they have signed? Stowell was a solid keeper in his day and I don't think he is a bad goalkeeping coach. Maybe Hull kept their goalkeeping coach when Pearson took over and so they didn't need to get Stowell in. I'd say Logan has improved now from a few years ago and also I remember Hendersons kicking improving slightly towards the end of his time with the club.

[fleckneymike]

How do you know that goalkeepers that come to us don't improve after they have signed? Stowell was a solid keeper in his day and I don't think he is a bad goalkeeping coach. Maybe Hull kept their goalkeeping coach when Pearson took over and so they didn't need to get Stowell in. I'd say Logan has improved now from a few years ago and also I remember Hendersons kicking improving slightly towards the end of his time with the club.

The only way he's improved is by shedding 3 stones. Aside from that he's still next to useless.

[hackneyfox]

How do you know that goalkeepers that come to us don't improve after they have signed? Stowell was a solid keeper in his day and I don't think he is a bad goalkeeping coach. Maybe Hull kept their goalkeeping coach when Pearson took over and so they didn't need to get Stowell in. I'd say Logan has improved now from a few years ago and also I remember Hendersons kicking improving slightly towards the end of his time with the club.

By watching them.

Logan is getting older and maturer, the longer you play with professionals the better you should get, he hasn't improved hugely.

Henderson's kicking couldn't have got any worse, I could have told him to spend time on improving his kicking.

Not one of our recent goalkeepers games seemed to have improved, not one of them seems to have got better at commanding the box or dealing with penalties.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that with Fulop and Weale they made more mistakes the longer they worked under Stowell.

If Pearson rated Stowell then nothing would have stopped him taking him to Hull, unless Stowell didn't want to go of course.

[andy_croydz]

By watching them.

Logan is getting older and maturer, the longer you play with professionals the better you should get, he hasn't improved hugely.

Henderson's kicking couldn't have got any worse, I could have told him to spend time on improving his kicking.

Not one of our recent goalkeepers games seemed to have improved, not one of them seems to have got better at commanding the box or dealing with penalties.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that with Fulop and Weale they made more mistakes the longer they worked under Stowell.

If Pearson rated Stowell then nothing would have stopped him taking him to Hull, unless Stowell didn't want to go of course.

I can't disagree with what you said about what Stowell does with training the keepers because that is your opinion and you are entitled to that of course.

On the subject of Stowell moving to Hull with Pearson... I think IF he did get asked by Pearson to move... He probably would have turned it down for the following reasons...

He has been with us now for a good 5-6 years and probably feels part of the club.

and..

He most probably has a house with his family in the Midlands area and moving to the North East for a few years (However long Pearson stays there) would have been a disruptive move.

Edit: Also.. You don't see the likes of Dave Rennie moving with Pearson to Hull, Dave Rennie has been with Leicester now for over 10 years, he must be happy at the club and doesn't want to move. Stowell is probably the same.

[hackneyfox]

But do you disagree with my actual points about the goalies

Logan would be expected to improve whoever was tutoring him as he is maturing.

Fulop & Weale actually seemed to get worse , that is a tad harsh but bothe made mistakes in their last few games.

[andy_croydz]

But do you disagree with my actual points about the goalies

Logan would be expected to improve whoever was tutoring him as he is maturing.

Fulop & Weale actually seemed to get worse , that is a tad harsh but bothe made mistakes in their last few games.

Well i really can't comment on if the keepers get better or worse under Stowells coaching. If I went down the training ground 2-3 times a week for the past 3 years and watched them train I could probably be able to tell you whether or not they had improved and if Stowells coaching drills were effective.

[dandannieldanok]

But do you disagree with my actual points about the goalies

Logan would be expected to improve whoever was tutoring him as he is maturing.

Fulop & Weale actually seemed to get worse , that is a tad harsh but bothe made mistakes in their last few games.

It's too simplistic to portion a lot of the blame on Mike Stowell. All sorts of factors can cause players to dip in form, for Fulop and Weale I'd personally say complacency is more of a reason than Mike Stowell's coaching but that is just a personal hunch and not based on any info or anything.

Also, genuine question, has Mike Stowell ever been sacked or 'moved on' by any of the managers he's worked under (and there's been a few)?

[HonradaRaposa]

It's too simplistic to portion a lot of the blame on Mike Stowell. All sorts of factors can cause players to dip in form, for Fulop and Weale I'd personally say complacency is more of a reason than Mike Stowell's coaching but that is just a personal hunch and not based on any info or anything.

Also, genuine question, has Mike Stowell ever been sacked or 'moved on' by any of the managers he's worked under (and there's been a few)?

Yes he was by Holloway, or went when Holloway was sacked, then brought back by Pearson.

[andy_croydz]

I really think criticising Stowell is a silly thing to do, nobody on here knows what drills he gives to the keepers and how good a coach he actually is.

That's like..Somebody coming into your workplace for 15 minutes and then criticise you for being bad at your job. Unless you watch them train and ask the former goalkeepers at the club if Stowell was a good coach or not... Then nobody can criticise him.

I know he was a good keeper in his playing days though.

[hackneyfox]

Just my opinion that our goalies don't seem to improve much, therefore why have a goalkeeping coach?

Obviously wasting my time as you are adamant that he is a good goalie, despite many disagreeing with you.

Different opinions

What did you think to Henderson?

What do you think to Logan?

And he's improved doesn't count.

[andy_croydz]

Just my opinion that our goalies don't seem to improve much, therefore why have a goalkeeping coach?

Obviously wasting my time as you are adamant that he is a good goalie, despite many disagreeing with you.

Different opinions

What did you think to Henderson?

What do you think to Logan?

And he's improved doesn't count.

Many may disagree with me but it doesn't mean I will be following their views

Henderson? He was capable of pulling off great saves but all round he was probably not a Championship keeper, League 1 level in my opinion.

Logan... I'm not sure if he is a Championship quality keeper yet, I haven't seen enough of him to judge. He hasn't played a great deal of games for Leicester and he is still very young for a keeper. I think we should keep him for now but personally I doubt that he will take over the number 1 spot at Leicester and make it his own.

[hackneyfox]

Cheers Andy