Can England have Sven back please

[BlueSi13]

Might have something to do with the fact that the Welsh actually have a country worth being proud of.

[BlueSi13]

Club AND country for me

[Earlydoorsjones]

Look it's hard to criticise Sven at club level and I'm very pleased he's here - but he was questionnable as England manager. He stuck to his favourites and it hampered us. He couldn't motivate the players when it came to the crunch. He couldn't make any impact substitutions, he just sat back and took the battering of pressure and we clung on for penalties. Which we lost.

I'm not going to say Capello hasn't made mistakes as well because he clearly has, but TBF the team we have now is between generations. Sven had our best generation in years at it's prime, and we didn't get past the Quarters.

I don't think Capello's failures prove Sven was amazing at all. I don't think he had a nightmare either, but he did have his flaws.

The one thing I think it does prove though is that we have very, very few World Class players, and the majority of them are failures for England because they can't mentally handle it. I said to myself 'If Capello can't do it, no one can'. I guess no one can. The players are clearly not good enough - it's one thing to be good for your club but when you get to the World Stage you have to prove you are World Class. Players like Wayne Rooney, Frank Lampard, etc, cannot handle the pressure, therefore they are not World Class.

TBF, I thought one of the few players that came out of the World Cup with any credit was Emile Heskey. OK, he's not World Class and he never has been, but he was one of the few who didn't let the pressure or what he thought of Capello get in the way, he still worked his socks off. It's a terrible shame that he becomes a laughing stock and Rooney is still a hero.

I officially stopped supporting England after the Algeria match. Absolute disgrace.

I expect us to enter the wilderness years soon.

Much of what you say is hard to accept - but oh so very true.

[Jay]

at the end of the day you can't polish a turd, you can dress it up, make it look fancy but at the end of the day it's still a turd.

Facts are:

Englands so called world class players are anything but

The premier league isn't the best league in the world

Below the intital team of under performing players, nobody is pushing for a place

The top teams are filled with foreign players, young and old

The continued over hyping of the press making us out to be something we are not.

The Premier league and big4 are to powerful and the FA to weak

Doesn't matter who you put in charge the current crop of players simply aren't good enough. the youth development and training are next to useless and the FA are in a situation where they can do bugger all about it

[B52]

I believe the worst manager in England, Ferguson, has ruined every chance to suceed. As a proud scotsman he's not interested in the England national team.

Instead of keeping moral high, he complains for everything that can make it better for Man. United. And it has ruined the moral of a fcouple, whole, football generations.

[GringoFoxy]

Potential problems?

There are too many non-English players in our 'best' sides in the Premiership. The top clubs best players are not English - Drogba, Van Persie, Torres and Berbatov are all not English. And in goal - Cech, Fabianski, Reina and Van Der Sar are all not English.

Where as, look at the Spain squad, where the majority of their players play for Barcelona. And Barcelona's best forward is Spanish. Their number one goalkeeper is Spanish.

Look at Manchester City. Adam Johnson is a fantastic footballer, yet he can't get in the side because of the non-English players.

And also, some England players don't want to play for the country. Every time a England match is around the corner, Terry becomes injured (I know he is out at the minute for a few weeks, but in the past). Ashley Cole played for Chelsea against Sunderland, yet England are playing France a couple of days later and he becomes 'injured'.

The manager of the national side is not English. Why has he never managed Italy before?

The England players shouldn't get paid for playing for England, they should play for pride.

The press constantly dig into our players. For example, the Rooney issue. Why do they have to print it like they do? He did that, so what, let his feet do the talking on the pitch and in the paper. What Rooney did happens all the time. I know they are supposed to be role models but the press just constantly ruin a footballer.

Hmmmm, Adam Johnson example seems IMO more to do more with Mancini wanting to keep his feet on the ground or some other management issues than johnson being kept out of the team by non english players. Bit like how Fergie would put Rooney on the bench when he has to exert his player managerial muscles. He probably knows Rooney is the best in his position, but fergie knows that player management off the pitch influences player attitudes performances on the pitch.

Im pretty sure (could be wrong) that Sven in his long managerial career has probably had to bite that same bullet when deciding whether to pick, or not pick a player even when fans demand that so & so should be playing, and im sure supporters would expect him to make similar decisions in the long-term/ best interest of LCFC both on/off the pitch.

[The Doctor]

I believe the worst manager in England, Ferguson, has ruined every chance to suceed. As a proud scotsman he's not interested in the England national team.

Instead of keeping moral high, he complains for everything that can make it better for Man. United. And it has ruined the moral of a fcouple, whole, football generations.

what makes you think that, saf hasn't really done anything to fook up the english national side.

[Mikey]

I believe the worst manager in England, Ferguson, has ruined every chance to suceed. As a proud scotsman he's not interested in the England national team.

Instead of keeping moral high, he complains for everything that can make it better for Man. United. And it has ruined the moral of a fcouple, whole, football generations.

[ajthefox]

I've said and will say again that for me it's club over country every day of the week but I resent being called a fooking disabled by someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

What I said is true, but I'm proud to be English and I want our national team to succeed, it's just what I feel for City is much stronger than England.

I can't categorically explain why though. It's not as if chose to feel the way I do.

This might sound weird but England feels distant to me, I just don't have that connection to England like I do City.

Everything I am is City first, then England.

I'm sorry I'm not the sparkling patriot that some appear to be, but that's just how it is.

[B52]

what makes you think that, saf hasn't really done anything to fook up the english national side.

Well, he has f****d the minds up of Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves, Rooney, Ferdinand and Neville telling them the club is much more importent then the national team.

Also Fergies constant cheating trying to influent everybody on and off the field has changed the players under him.

Sven encourages players to seek pride in the national teams they play for. A totally different way of handling players.

If you feed respect, pride and honesty to players they act better as humans. When playing they have a better workrate and spirit.

Aaaaahhhh, the glory of the good old days are back again.

[The Doctor]

Well, he has f****d the minds up of Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves, Rooney, Ferdinand and Neville telling them the club is much more importent then the national team.

Also Fergies constant cheating trying to influent everybody on and off the field has changed the players under him.

Sven encourages players to seek pride in the national teams they play for. A totally different way of handling players.

If you feed respect, pride and honesty to players they act better as humans. When playing they have a better workrate and spirit.

Aaaaahhhh, the glory of the good old days are back again.

Scholes played quite well for england before retirement (and i'm pretty sure he said that was to spend more time with his family), carrick is very overrated, bordering on shit anyway, i don't think hargreaves has played for england since joining man utd because he's become a perma-crock, Rooney & ferdinand you might have a point but neville was on overrated arrogant **** and if fergie did get him away from england then it's something to thank fergie for.

but when only two of those are key players for england why do the rest perform so poorly? Gerrard and Lampard have never had anything to do with ferguson but both those play much better for club than country.

[B52]

Scholes played quite well for england before retirement (and i'm pretty sure he said that was to spend more time with his family), carrick is very overrated, bordering on shit anyway, i don't think hargreaves has played for england since joining man utd because he's become a perma-crock, Rooney & ferdinand you might have a point but neville was on overrated arrogant **** and if fergie did get him away from england then it's something to thank fergie for.

but when only two of those are key players for england why do the rest perform so poorly? Gerrard and Lampard have never had anything to do with ferguson but both those play much better for club than country.

Fergie is the dominant manager in PL. Everywhere he goes the sheep will follow. And it only needs one player to ruin the strategy.

Look at Sweden and Zlatan, England and Rooney.

[GringoFoxy]

Well, he has f****d the minds up of Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves, Rooney, Ferdinand and Neville telling them the club is much more importent then the national team.

Also Fergies constant cheating trying to influent everybody on and off the field has changed the players under him.

Sven encourages players to seek pride in the national teams they play for. A totally different way of handling players.

If you feed respect, pride and honesty to players they act better as humans. When playing they have a better workrate and spirit.

Aaaaahhhh, the glory of the good old days are back again.

When or where has he encouraged this pride in playing for national teams. And if it came to a crunch decision between Sven staying at the club or again trying to improve Englands footballing fortunes , I wonder what would our Patriotic England 1st fans would choose?

[B52]

is the colours to be proud of here and after.

When Sven was at Man City He tried to talk Stephen Ireland into playing for his national team again. And sometimes it was around 10 players going to different games and Sven encouraged them to do so. I never heard a negativ word about players in national teams only positive thinking.

Why? The players gained experience to adapt to different situations and Sven loves that.

[Kitchandro]

Another thing I'd like to add - A lot of us watch City every week, or every other week, so naturally we'll feel more attached to them. England play every few months, the big tournaments are only every 2 years, and few people can afford to see England live.

But even so, I among many others cared far more about England 15 years ago than I do now.