CountesthorpeFox Posted 11 September 2011 Posted 11 September 2011 "The greatest coach is the one who mins the most" Jose Mourinho Don't know if someone has done this already but anyhow, Name - games - win percentage Sven Goran Erkisson 47 44.68 Paulo Sousa 12 33.33 Nigel Pearson 107 51.40 Ian Holloway 32 28.13 Gary Megson 9 33.33 Martin Allen 4 50.00 Rob Kelly 63 33.33 Craig Levein 72 27.78 Micky Adams 111 36.94 Dave Bassett 27 14.81 Peter Taylor 54 35.19 Martin O'Neill 223 38.12 These stats dont tell us the full story, i know that. For example Pearson has a better win percentage than O'Neill but obviously O'Neill was in a stronger league. I'm not normally a stat man but I thought this was an interesting topic given the scrutiny surrounding the manager at the moment. I of course accept that when you spend a lot of money and want to win a league than a high win percentage is needed but Svens win percentage is not as far off whats required as you'd think. What it does show though is that Sven does not have a bad record with us. Billy Davies for example, has not achieved a win percentage higher than 44.68 (Svens) at any of the four clubs he has managed. Yet he has still got a team promoted and been to the playoffs on a regular basis. (obviously the prem season has negatively affected his Derby one - but then he wasnt there a whole season. Paul Lambert who has taken Norwich up two consecutive seasons has a win percentage of 53.33. Im not arguing an improvement is not required, it defintiley is . . . However I am arguing the over reaction to the current situation is a little drastic and the improvement required is not as huge as some people seem to think. Svens win record is pretty impressive especially given what he inherited. A team bottom of the league.
Charl91 Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 Those stats look a lot better because of the amazing run we went on. However, I don't think we'l be going on any runs like that in our current state.
lee(lcfc) Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 he might have a good win percentage, but he hasn't any idea's when a team is controlling use like yesterday. he plays the same 433 most games and we are crap, i just dont think he knows what he doing. we should of signed another coach by now but he dont seem intereted in signing one. my view
Karljohn Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 Compare the resources too though. Exactly, I do not recall any previous LCFC manager having so much cash available to him apart from Taylor had it in the Premier League after nearly 5 years of MON being very shrewd in the market but can't recall any others. Last season he was quoted "i like pace" now we dont have a lot, you never hear a young player or indeed any player "big up Sven", I do wonder just how involved he is, is it Faz doing the managing/coaching, and Sven doing the football director role?
boring_jester Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 he might have a good win percentage, but he hasn't any idea's when a team is controlling use like yesterday. he plays the same 433 most games and we are crap, i just dont think he knows what he doing. we should of signed another coach by now but he dont seem intereted in signing one. my view Sven is a world class manager. He's getting paid shit loads to make the decisions. So I believe HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.
wattolcfc Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 Sven is a world class manager. He's getting paid shit loads to make the decisions. So I believe HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. Yes he is getting paid shit loads to make decisions and is supposedly a world class manager, this is why everyone is a bit miffed with his POOR decision making. Being a world class manager and having loads of money to spend, he should be doing BETTER!
ozleicester Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 Lies, damned lies, and statistics MON got his results in the 1st division. NP got his results in the 2nd-3rd division and you havent even mentioned Jock wallace, Frank Ofarrel, Matt Gilles et al. Sven is currently the best person for the job at Filbert Way, he has just finished building a squad that will be capable of first taking us to the Premier League and then keeping us there. Geebus, give the man some time, you cant just buy this league. not having a go at the OP, just the general attitude of panic and instant gratification. edit also. id like to know the rest of the "The greatest coach is the one who mins the most" Jose Mourinho quote.. wins the most... games? cups? titles?
Fox92 Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 Pearson's record is sensational quite frankly. Sven is a world class manager. He's getting paid shit loads to make the decisions. So I believe HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING. He has to be questioned at times though, and I think thats what we are all doing, including the poster who you quoted. Some of his signings could be questioned, his tactics and sometimes his decisions regarding subs etc
CountesthorpeFox Posted 12 September 2011 Author Posted 12 September 2011 Lies, damned lies, and statistics MON got his results in the 1st division. NP got his results in the 2nd-3rd division and you havent even mentioned Jock wallace, Frank Ofarrel, Matt Gilles et al. Sven is currently the best person for the job at Filbert Way, he has just finished building a squad that will be capable of first taking us to the Premier League and then keeping us there. Geebus, give the man some time, you cant just buy this league. not having a go at the OP, just the general attitude of panic and instant gratification. edit also. id like to know the rest of the "The greatest coach is the one who mins the most" Jose Mourinho quote.. wins the most... games? cups? titles? I think the quote is in relation to games, as if you win the most games you are likely to win the most cups and titles anyway. I did actually make reference to your above point regarding statistics. It would be unfair to compare O'Neill to Pearson due to the standard they were managing at. I didn't go any further back then O'Neill because I thought that more recent comparison would bear more relevance, but maybe I should have looked at the names you mentioned. I entirely agree with your opinion that he should be given more time though and thats what I am trying to show, but as you say statistics never tell the whole story. I just think that one of the best way to manage the present and prepapre for the future is to look at the past. O'Neill had fans baffled at times, especially in his early days, but he turned it round. I think Sven, although he comes across as quite a nice and gentle man with a calm manner, is actually quite stubborn and confident in his own decisions. Look at Ricardo, he had alot more game time than 99% of the fans would have given him, look at how he dropped his £5million captain after two games, look at how he persisted with Owen Hargreaves for all those years when about every England fan thought he was useless. Now look at the way hes persisting with this system. A lot of top managers have the same stubborn resilience in the face of criticism. Wenger, Ferguson etc . . .Lets just be a little more patient.
CountesthorpeFox Posted 12 September 2011 Author Posted 12 September 2011 Pearson's record is sensational quite frankly. He has to be questioned at times though, and I think thats what we are all doing, including the poster who you quoted. Some of his signings could be questioned, his tactics and sometimes his decisions regarding subs etc I think Pearsons win percentage is the highest of any Leicester manager. Then again it was at a time when we were at our lowest. I do agree that Sven has to be questioned at times but then on the flipside so does every manager, no matter how good. Sir Alex could be questioned on Eric Djemba Djemba and his tactis in the champions league finals against Barcelona. Im not suggesting Sven is as good as Sir Alex im just suggesting his long term success is more important than the occasional dodgy signing or questionable substitution.
chili_con_carne Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 anyone else find it strange how he has exactly the same record here as he did at man city. MAN CITY - Played - 45 - Won - 19 - Drew - 11 - Lost - 15 - 42.22 % L C F C - Played ------ 47 - Won - 21 - Drew - 11 - Lost - 15 - 44.68 %
Lcfcman2010 Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 anyone else find it strange how he has exactly the same record here as he did at man city. MAN CITY - Played - 45 - Won - 19 - Drew - 11 - Lost - 15 - 42.22 % L C F C - Played ------ 47 - Won - 21 - Drew - 11 - Lost - 15 - 44.68 % not EXACTLY the same is it!
ozleicester Posted 12 September 2011 Posted 12 September 2011 anyone else find it strange how he has exactly the same record here as he did at man city. MAN CITY - Played - 45 - Won - 19 - Drew - 11 - Lost - 15 - 42.22 % L C F C - Played ------ 47 - Won - 21 - Drew - 11 - Lost - 15 - 44.68 % "Exactly" one of these things is not like the other...
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