DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Great article ... that's 3 of us. FOUR!
funkyrobot Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Great article ... that's 3 of us. You've all been caught in the Sven charm trap. Imo he had to go. Hes done absolutely nothing since lazio decades ago. Four of you think it's a great article. I think it's biased and wrong so the score is now 4-1 to the Sven gang!
seenitall Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 You've all been caught in the Sven charm trap. Imo he had to go. Hes done absolutely nothing since lazio decades ago. Four of you think it's a great article. I think it's biased and wrong so the score is now 4-1 to the Sven gang! Pearson a step back IMO, he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
funkyrobot Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Pearson a step back IMO, he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy! Yeh you're right, a step back to when we used to win games and play with a bit of width.
m00nie Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Yeh you're right, a step back to when we used to win games and play with a bit of width. yea with matt grandad oakley on the right and lloyd cant cross dyer on the left..
seenitall Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Yeh you're right, a step back to when we used to win games and play with a bit of width. Just been casting my eye over the glorious team that Nige put together for us - only Lloyd seems like a winger and we still have him (injured I believe) - are you quite convinced that this magical width is going to be a feature of Niges football or have you got your head wedged up Top's bottom? Please don't mention Gallagher as he is possibly the worst winger I have ever seen - no pace and can't get round anyone so perhaps it was all a dream
funkyrobot Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 yea with matt grandad oakley on the right and lloyd cant cross dyer on the left.. Yeh you Sven fans are right. All np ever did was get promotion and get us into the top 6 of the championship on a limited budget. Sven on the other hand got us playing world beating football and by only spending the biggest budget within the championship, managed to take us to the heady heights of 12th using such tactics as playing 4 central midfielders in a diamond, loaning out players to rival teams and signing Michael ball.
m00nie Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Yeh you Sven fans are right. All np ever did was get promotion and get us into the top 6 of the championship on a limited budget. Sven on the other hand got us playing world beating football and by only spending the biggest budget within the championship, managed to take us to the heady heights of 12th using such tactics as playing 4 central midfielders in a diamond, loaning out players to rival teams and signing Michael ball. promoted out the THIRD tier, BLEW the play offs.. then you could also say.Signed robbie nielson, Yann... played central mids on the wing. strikers out wide.. so hardly perfect,... Sven didnt get the full season so theres no saying where we would have eneded up.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 promoted out the THIRD tier, BLEW the play offs.. then you could also say.Signed robbie nielson, Yann... played central mids on the wing. strikers out wide.. so hardly perfect,... Sven didnt get the full season so theres no saying where we would have eneded up. Losing on penalties is hardly blowing the Play Offs! As much as I liked Sven, NP has achieved so much more with so much less on no fewer than 3 occasions. Firstly he kept Southampton up which in itself was a minor miracle. His reward was the sack. He then took us back up and into the playoffs. He was then forced out. He has chopped thousands of pounds per week off the wage bill at Hull yet has still got them higher than where we are despite the fact we have been spending money like it was going out of fashion. Sven, if rumours are to be believed, had lost the dressing room and was hardly encouraging in his last few interviews especially saying he was suprised he hadn't been sacked by now.
funkyrobot Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 promoted out the THIRD tier, BLEW the play offs.. then you could also say.Signed robbie nielson, Yann... played central mids on the wing. strikers out wide.. so hardly perfect,... Sven didnt get the full season so theres no saying where we would have eneded up. That's basically gonna be your fall back argument then. Sven never got the full season. Nor did Sousa. Would you want him back? Can't change facts mate. NP got Promotion and playoffs. Sven achieved absolutely nothing last season or this and bought badly. I'm not suggesting np was perfect. Neilsen was shit, gradel was class but overall he did a great job for us. Whether you rated his wingers, he still created width and space by employing people on the wings. Sven failed and rightly expected the sack.
m00nie Posted 12 November 2011 Posted 12 November 2011 Losing on penalties is hardly blowing the Play Offs! As much as I liked Sven, NP has achieved so much more with so much less on no fewer than 3 occasions. Firstly he kept Southampton up which in itself was a minor miracle. His reward was the sack. He then took us back up and into the playoffs. He was then forced out. He has chopped thousands of pounds per week off the wage bill at Hull yet has still got them higher than where we are despite the fact we have been spending money like it was going out of fashion. Sven, if rumours are to be believed, had lost the dressing room and was hardly encouraging in his last few interviews especially saying he was suprised he hadn't been sacked by now. he blew it in the first leg.. hos desicions and tactics were poor.. we could have killed it off in the first leg then the penalties would never have been needed... That's basically gonna be your fall back argument then. Sven never got the full season. Nor did Sousa. Would you want him back? Can't change facts mate. NP got Promotion and playoffs. Sven achieved absolutely nothing last season or this and bought badly. I'm not suggesting np was perfect. Neilsen was shit, gradel was class but overall he did a great job for us. Whether you rated his wingers, he still created width and space by employing people on the wings. Sven failed and rightly expected the sack. im not actually a sven lover, i think he could have done ,more with the rest of the season but i still back the owners for making the desciion they made.. this "wingers" is all a joke. do you really think that having wingers will automatically make us winners??? too many people thinking this is the only reason were in a mess... and as you say look at the winger we had with gradel, didnt do him much good did it.. imo we could play the diamond formation and still win as long as we got a manager there to change/motivate when needed.
Len Finsbury Posted 13 November 2011 Posted 13 November 2011 If Sven had played with wingers and we had still struggled, everyone would have been demanding that we played narrower. I'm disappointed to see all the hate for those, like me, that aren't exactly overjoyed with the arrival of Nigel Pearson. Don't get me wrong, I'll still be supporting him but I think we're a different club than the one he rescued a few years ago, with different expectations. His success is there for all to see, but we were at our lowest when he did the things he did. Things are different with the arrival of the money. Pearson's success has always been when the pressure was off. At Southampton, they were as good as relegated and he was probably installed to lead the promotion charge the following year. He worked miracles and kept them from the drop... if only for a while, at least. When he arrived here, we'd just been relegated and whilst we were in the third tier for the first time in our history and desperate to get out of it, we weren't exactly a draw to potential managers due to having very little money and a moron for a chairman. We'd been under achieving for several years and found ourselves in the same division that Leeds and Forest had strungled to escape from. NP, again, worked miracles and not only got us promoted but at a canter, in the end. The following season's success is another example of beating the odds. Even the most optimistic of us never expected to be involved in the play offs after the promotion season. Even his hard work at Hull was moderately successful considering his priority was to slash playing staff costs and protect the future of the club. His teams are renown for their spirit which, incidentally , comes hand in hand with that of the underdog. Not necessarily something that's always associated with favourites. Well, now the pressure IS on. Let's see how he copes without the worry of financial restraints or being the underdog. Stand up Mr Pearson, it's time to see the size to your cajones. I hope, for the thousands of fans that follow this club, that you can also make the step up that the football club seems to have done. I look forward to you proving that you can.
Top_Fox Posted 13 November 2011 Posted 13 November 2011 Good post Shilton, couldn't agree with you more.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 November 2011 Posted 13 November 2011 If Sven had played with wingers and we had still struggled, everyone would have been demanding that we played narrower. I'm disappointed to see all the hate for those, like me, that aren't exactly overjoyed with the arrival of Nigel Pearson. Don't get me wrong, I'll still be supporting him but I think we're a different club than the one he rescued a few years ago, with different expectations. His success is there for all to see, but we were at our lowest when he did the things he did. Things are different with the arrival of the money. Pearson's success has always been when the pressure was off. At Southampton, they were as good as relegated and he was probably installed to lead the promotion charge the following year. He worked miracles and kept them from the drop... if only for a while, at least. When he arrived here, we'd just been relegated and whilst we were in the third tier for the first time in our history and desperate to get out of it, we weren't exactly a draw to potential managers due to having very little money and a moron for a chairman. We'd been under achieving for several years and found ourselves in the same division that Leeds and Forest had strungled to escape from. NP, again, worked miracles and not only got us promoted but at a canter, in the end. The following season's success is another example of beating the odds. Even the most optimistic of us never expected to be involved in the play offs after the promotion season. Even his hard work at Hull was moderately successful considering his priority was to slash playing staff costs and protect the future of the club. His teams are renown for their spirit which, incidentally , comes hand in hand with that of the underdog. Not necessarily something that's always associated with favourites. Well, now the pressure IS on. Let's see how he copes without the worry of financial restraints or being the underdog. Stand up Mr Pearson, it's time to see the size to your cajones. I hope, for the thousands of fans that follow this club, that you can also make the step up that the football club seems to have done. I look forward to you proving that you can. Well written, and sums it all up. I HOPE Pearson can, but I really do not believe, if hhe does come, that he will produce the goods. This time next year, I suspect he will be getting what Sven got.
Craig Posted 13 November 2011 Posted 13 November 2011 'Different expectations' 2008/2009 - Win promotion to the Championship with one of the best sides in the league 2011/2012 - Win promotion to the Premiership with one of the best sides (on paper) in the league Not that different.
bluearmyfox23 Posted 13 November 2011 Posted 13 November 2011 I would like to ask a queation to all the NP doubters. Would u rather play attractive football but not get any end result. Or would u rather play scrappy football but ground out the results.? I am really starting to get concerned over a few people on here tht would rather play attractive football !!
flowwolf Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Oh yeah and when was the last time WE played attractive football then ? Not even MON's team could be said to be playing attractive football. Even in the Prem only the top half could be said to play attractive football the rest just dig in and scrap it out for survival. :dunno: :dunno:
Len Finsbury Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 My opinions are split regarding the attractive football Vs success conundrum. Professional football, as well as all professional sports, exist ONLY for entertainment. Whether that's as a spectator or a punter. We wouldn't return to the cinema to watch another film made by someone who is renown for making terrible films with awful actors. Neither would we return to see terrible plays at the theatre. However, when we look back at the fondest memories that we've experienced with our football club, can we really remember how we played accurately despite getting a positive result? We might remember small pieces of information like the goals or highlights but not everything. I think what I'm trying to say is that although attractive football is nice to watch, it's the results first and foremost that make memories.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Oh yeah and when was the last time WE played attractive football then ? Not even MON's team could be said to be playing attractive football. Even in the Prem only the top half could be said to play attractive football the rest just dig in and scrap it out for survival. :dunno: :dunno: ??? I don't think we ever finished lower than 7th/8th under MON in the prem.. That's top half innit... Unless I'm very poor at maths
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Well written, and sums it all up. I HOPE Pearson can, but I really do not believe, if hhe does come, that he will produce the goods. This time next year, I suspect he will be getting what Sven got. Time will tell of course.. However I'm so much more confident of doing well under Nige than I ever was under Sven. For me, Pearson seems good at getting the best out of pretty average players whereas Sven seemed to be good at getting the worst out of pretty good players. Pearson will take no shite from Beckford, Danns, wellens and will drop or sell those players who don't wanna play for him. Under Sven it all seemed too cosy. Finally, Pearson knows how to graft out a win.. This is essential in a division so combatative as the Championship. Pearsons knowledge of how to play at this level is so much better than Svens was. Pearson or Sven...? For me the former any day of the week and twice on Sundays...
flowwolf Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 ??? I don't think we ever finished lower than 7th/8th under MON in the prem.. That's top half innit... Unless I'm very poor at maths Agreed but I would not say we played attractive football. Under MON we played effective football and while that was great for results it was never going to be rivaling the likes of Man unt in terms of entertainment . So with that in mind I would be very happy to play effective football to both get us out of this league and keep us up in the Prem. As a medium sized club that is the very best we could hope for and most of us would be happy just to see the top clubs playing here again even if that means we are not very entertaining . ps we finished tenth in our first year up under MON :thumbup: :thumbup:
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Agreed but I would not say we played attractive football. Under MON we played effective football and while that was great for results it was never going to be rivaling the likes of Man unt in terms of entertainment . So with that in mind I would be very happy to play effective football to both get us out of this league and keep us up in the Prem. As a medium sized club that is the very best we could hope for and most of us would be happy just to see the top clubs playing here again even if that means we are not very entertaining . ps we finished tenth in our first year up under MON :thumbup: :thumbup: Still top half! Just.... I don't really get this attractive/effective football debate... I remember seeing some fantastic games under MON.. The three all draw with The Arsenal.. The four two win over the Black Cats.. And many many more. Was this not attractive football? What really is attractive football? I reckon it's games of football that leave you coming away from the game with the 'feel good factor'.. Under MON there were far more games that left you like this than they're weren't...
Babylon Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Still top half! Just.... I don't really get this attractive/effective football debate... I remember seeing some fantastic games under MON.. The three all draw with The Arsenal.. The four two win over the Black Cats.. And many many more. Was this not attractive football? What really is attractive football? I reckon it's games of football that leave you coming away from the game with the 'feel good factor'.. Under MON there were far more games that left you like this than they're weren't... Exactly.
marbelladave Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Two separate thoughts:- Attractive football does not have to be pretty football. I get a huge buzz seeing a group of decent players coming together and playing as a team, when players by their effort, commitment and team play produce performances and gain results that are better than expected. I love that......... With a third of the season already gone, NFP is probably the only manager who could come in and pick up the pace with immediate effect. He knows the club, many of the players and he knows the division. I would expect him to be producing results when another manager is still finding his way around the squad and the club. Given our current situation and the need to make a serious attempt at promotion I think he is a decent choice.....
flowwolf Posted 14 November 2011 Posted 14 November 2011 Still top half! Just.... I don't really get this attractive/effective football debate... I remember seeing some fantastic games under MON.. The three all draw with The Arsenal.. The four two win over the Black Cats.. And many many more. Was this not attractive football? What really is attractive football? I reckon it's games of football that leave you coming away from the game with the 'feel good factor'.. Under MON there were far more games that left you like this than they're weren't... Since you put it like that -------Agreed :thumbup: :thumbup:
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