Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 I doubt it really matters about 'the developing what we have' argument.... Yes we have money and yes I agree we will go out and spend again. Whether this is the right or wrong thing to do I guess we will see over time. But you're right Jace, I'm sure this is what we will do. Ironically we would of progressed much better 2 years ago developing our players in this way getting the best out of them rather than revamping our squad with new players. We never know we might find no decent right wingers will become available and we have to think again about other options amongst our current squad. Lets pray Nigel can find someone decent he can do a deal on
MikeyT Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 If we were a club stuck without money or in adminstration then yes maybe it would be something to think about as an option, but we are not. We have a huge transfer kity and the transfer window is opening shortly so surely the best solution by far is buy a decent right winger! Agreed.
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Under Sousa on the iwng, Waghorn was poor.
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Under Sousa on the iwng, Waghorn was poor. Under Sousa Messi would be poor
Happy Fox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 FFS we got the money lets go and get two decent wingers in, Waggy is not the option, neither is Dyer or Gallagher.
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 FFS we got the money lets go and get two decent wingers in, Waggy is not the option, neither is Dyer or Gallagher. Danns not an option with you then Happy Fox?
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Under Sousa on the iwng, Waghorn was poor. Yes but under Pearson, Waggy was considered as one of our brightest young prospect. As was Hobbs. It's no surprise that neither went downhill when Sousa arrived as they were suddenly asked to play completely differently and were no longer nurtured in the same way. Certain players play for certain managers... I'm not trying to do some sort of Waggy/Hobbs love-in I'm simply making a point that Waghorn showed real promise under Pearson and consistently played in a team that nearly made the play off final. I think he could contribute under Pearson again.
Happy Fox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Danns not an option then? He hasn't been in the team recently but you get my drift we need wide men, and if NP fails to address this in the January window you can kiss goodbye to ever getting promoted out of this league.
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Yes but under Pearson, Waggy was considered as one of our brightest young prospect. As was Hobbs. It's no surprise that neither went downhill when Sousa arrived as they were suddenly asked to play completely differently and were no longer nurtured in the same way. Certain players play for certain managers... I'm not trying to do some sort of Waggy/Hobbs love-in I'm simply making a point that Waghorn showed real promise under Pearson and consistently played in a team that nearly made the play off final. I think he could contribute under Pearson again. You are spot on here Col, Waghorn was a great prospect under Pearson before I'm sure he would have no problem picking him if felt he was the best choice again. Hopefully though after January there will be more better choices available
sphericalfox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Yes but under Pearson, Waggy was considered as one of our brightest young prospect. As was Hobbs. It's no surprise that neither went downhill when Sousa arrived as they were suddenly asked to play completely differently and were no longer nurtured in the same way. Certain players play for certain managers... I'm not trying to do some sort of Waggy/Hobbs love-in I'm simply making a point that Waghorn showed real promise under Pearson and consistently played in a team that nearly made the play off final. I think he could contribute under Pearson again. Are you saying that Waggy was consistent under Pearson? Using the old, 'he was part of a team that nearly made the playoffs' would then surely put several other players who weren't up to scratch as decent too. I will and have always said that I was happy when Waggy signed for us. Unfortunately his price tag probably was his undoing. Pressure to live up to, with limited scope for true improvement. He's a likeable lad, shows great character and tries real hard. Unfortunately he always seems to be trying so hard that he loses all control, judgement, and common sense. If I was going to have a wager on whether Waggy or Beckford would improve first before the season closed, I know where my money would be.
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 He hasn't been in the team recently but you get my drift we need wide men, and if NP fails to address this in the January window you can kiss goodbye to ever getting promoted out of this league. Yeah definitely Danns is not the answer at the moment we lack width and pace and someone who can put the ball in the box perfectly in front of Beckford, was just WUMing abit
Guest Col city fan Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Are you saying that Waggy was consistent under Pearson? Using the old, 'he was part of a team that nearly made the playoffs' would then surely put several other players who weren't up to scratch as decent too. I will and have always said that I was happy when Waggy signed for us. Unfortunately his price tag probably was his undoing. Pressure to live up to, with limited scope for true improvement. He's a likeable lad, shows great character and tries real hard. Unfortunately he always seems to be trying so hard that he loses all control, judgement, and common sense. If I was going to have a wager on whether or Beckford would improve first before the season closed, I know where my money would be. I agree with you big fella that Waggy's price was inflated at that time. Whether this was his 'downfall' who knows? And I don't remember many people suggesting that we shouldn't have paid what we paid at that time.. If my memory serves me rightly most people said we should just pay what Sunderland were asking for because he was a young talent that we very highly rated. In my opinion Waggy's decline was far more associated with Pearson leaving than with his price-tag? But that was then and this is now.. Regarding which player may make more improvement for the rest of the season then do you mean for Leicester City? I reckon Becks may well go and Waggy may well return... So if you mean who's gonna improve for us id have to disagree with ya...
i luv u foxes Posted 23 December 2011 Author Posted 23 December 2011 spending money answer to everything well by our league position think i may disagree you can buy thye best available players but if they cant play together its pointless say we go and buy a winger which we need about two and we pay around 4 mill for him but he and nugent or beckford cant understand each others game its pointless training ground is where games are won not cheque books trying waghorn in training getting him to improve his final product and see what happens no money lost if it fails
Milton Keynes Fox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 his delivery is too poor to be a winger
sphericalfox Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 his delivery is too poor to be a winger If Waggy delivered parcels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxA5a7vlu8
AyewJoking Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 I have to disagree with the original poster that we try Waghorn on the wing. Square pegs in round holes anyone?
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 If Waggy delivered parcels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxA5a7vlu8 haha thats quality, apparently after reading the youtube comments that driver got stitched up, it was an empty box that the owner asked to be chucked over the fence back
Jace Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 I've never heard the term square pegs in round holes so much
Isopen Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 Main problem with Waghorn as a winger is his defending duties, particularly his tendancy for rash tackles which earn him at least yellow cards. If he has more defending to do, the liklihood of him commiting these goes up & also could be commited in more dangerous areas to concede free kicks
dog_4 Posted 23 December 2011 Posted 23 December 2011 thats the hole reason he's been shit since we signed him again! because when he did play he played on the wing or played 5 mins off the bench! still a good player, proven for england u21 when he got a chance up front for the first time since pearson was in charge last time round! waghorn,waghorn!
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