Rincewind Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 I wonder what else this Gov has planned to rob the less well off.
Fox1651 Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 How is that robbing? BlueBrett where have you been?
Rincewind Posted 27 December 2011 Author Posted 27 December 2011 Its robbing if you are living in a privately rented flat and cannot get a cheaper place because the rules say you cannot rent a place unless you are working. It doesn't affect me ATM but it is only a matter of time before they stop benefits for the over 35's, and near retirement older people. To rent a place you need a good credit rating unless you live in a cardboard box.. Then you do not count as one of the unemployed. The Government will then boast how they reduced the figures.
Stay Positive Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Easy solution: Work. because there are so many jobs out there aren't there?
Rincewind Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 If you become homeless employers will not employ you. Those with houses good jobs and money always put forward the simpler solutions seeing everything in black and white.
FoxyPV Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 because there are so many jobs out there aren't there? And those that are available are so well paid. If you work in a minimum wage job, it would be extremely difficult to afford to privately rent due to the high costs, deposits etc. NIghtguard has stated on numerous occassions the difficulty in getting work despite his best efforts.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Easy solution: Work. Surely this is a more retarded post than any of mine?
Rincewind Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 I have been doing some agency work. If I do 16 hours or more I lose my JSA and have to fill in various forms and wait for it to be processed before I can claim Tax credits. A lot of places like the council use agencies now. That way they are not liable for paying holiday pay NI redundancy etc. The demand for agency work is high most places being full. ATM what I am doing is a stop gap. Hopefully while doing this my prospects for full time work will improve but I do not want to be in the situation where I am continually signing on and off and have no money coming in in-between because I am waiting for forms to be processed. The agency work I am doing is on a daily basis so there is no guarantee of a full week so I am just asking for two days and putting down under 16 hours. (It has to be 15.59 or less) It is not perfect but the system is not perfect.
FoxyPV Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Surely this is a more retarded post than any of mine? That's a big call
Rincewind Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 After saying the above though my situation is a lot better than a lot of younger people. With JSA and part time work I can survive by cutting out a lot of luxuries and budgeting correctly. I have my rent and council tax paid for and in another year or so I can claim pension credits. The staff at the job centre are mostly helpful and I think their concern is concentrated on the 16-35 age group to get back into work They still have time to train or go on schemes if they have to. It will still be tough for them but I believe not as tough for the 35-55 and even worse above 55. Of course there are exceptions to the rule as some people will point out but not everyone can be an exception.
dave the caveman Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 the rules say you cannot rent a place unless you are working. What rule is that? It seems fair to me. Why should housing benefit be paid to help someone pay for a private flat when they could be living in shared accomodation? I don't know why there was ever an age limit below perhaps 60 for men and 50 for women. I can't see any reason why a 45-year-old man for example should be given more handouts so he can indulge in the luxury of having his own flat. A lot of people who work full time can't even afford that.
Rincewind Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 Rules that landlords have. Circumstances change. redundancies happen. Businesses fail. There are many reasons why people suddenly find themselves a lot worse off than before. Maybe when people fall on hard times they should be herded together into ghettos then the rest of us wouldn't have to worry about them. After all they are just scum are they not? Phlebs of society.
dave the caveman Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Rules that landlords have. Circumstances change. redundancies happen. Businesses fail. There are many reasons why people suddenly find themselves a lot worse off than before. Maybe when people fall on hard times they should be herded together into ghettos then the rest of us wouldn't have to worry about them. After all they are just scum are they not? Phlebs of society. That's not what I'm implying. I along with many people I know lived in a shared house when I couldn't afford to have my own place. It wasn't in a ghetto and neither were the people I was living with scum or the phlebs of society. They were just normal working people who couldn't afford to have their own place. When people fall on hard times it's a shame, but I still see no reason why the tax payer should prop up relatively expensive lifestyles that those people used to be able to afford but no longer can.
Rincewind Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 I wouldn't want shared accommodation at my age but I see what you mean in a way. I just get annoyed sometimes at some people that assume that all those out of work are lazy and can walk into a job right away and live a life of luxury on £67.50 pw.
Len Finsbury Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 And those that are available are so well paid. If you work in a minimum wage job, it would be extremely difficult to afford to privately rent due to the high costs, deposits etc. NIghtguard has stated on numerous occassions the difficulty in getting work despite his best efforts. You cut your cloth accordingly, as the saying goes. If the only job you can get is a minimum wage position then you can't expect to live like a king, can you? I think that's the problem with a lot of people today. Those that rely on benefits expect the same rewards as those that work yet why should they? I appreciate the support for Nightguard but you need to look at it objectively. No one on benefits should complain about benefits, they should be grateful that we have such a supportive welfare system as it is.
Finnegan Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Actually **** it. Yknow what? I can't be arsed with having this argument AGAIN.
grth2004 Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 I couldnt of said it better myself , i left school with no qualifications and ive worked my bollocks off from the age of 16 , whenever ive lost a job ive taken anything thats come my way on agency and ive had some shit jobs , im now in full time work as a supervisor but its taken 20 years of shit to get here , my point is i cant see any time i would take benefits as id clean the streets do whatever it takes to bring in a wage , unless im ill then i will not be claiming. No one on benefits should complain about benefits, they should be grateful that we have such a supportive welfare system as it is.
Alexikokopops Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Actually **** it. Yknow what? I can't be arsed with having this argument AGAIN. Boo! If you don't start arguing then I have to make serious posts because inevitably you say what I'm thinking anyway (in a more ANGRY and WELSH manner).
Vardinhio Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 I couldnt of said it better myself , i left school with no qualifications and ive worked my bollocks off from the age of 16 , whenever ive lost a job ive taken anything thats come my way on agency and ive had some shit jobs , im now in full time work as a supervisor but its taken 20 years of shit to get here , my point is i cant see any time i would take benefits as id clean the streets do whatever it takes to bring in a wage , unless im ill then i will not be claiming. No one on benefits should complain about benefits, they should be grateful that we have such a supportive welfare system as it is. Admirable mate but a pretty simple outlook on life. What do people do if they have been renting for years, lose their job and have no where to turn? What if people can't just sweep the streets as the vacancies simply are not there? Our last line of support is the benefits systems, we hope we will never need them but for those that do for now they will be hit hard. Fed up of this "I have a job so should everybody else". I've just had to move 200+ miles to get work but I'm 24 with no real commitments. Not everyone can do this. Let's see what happens if you lost your job!
Guest BlueBrett Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 What do people do if they have been renting for years, lose their job and have no where to turn? What if people can't just sweep the streets as the vacancies simply are not there? Our last line of support is the benefits systems, we hope we will never need them but for those that do for now they will be hit hard. Fed up of this "I have a job so should everybody else". I've just had to move 200+ miles to get work but I'm 24 with no real commitments. Not everyone can do this. Let's see what happens if you lost your job! They are'nt saying if you lose your job and can't support yourself you become destitute. They are just saying you should have to find the cheapest available acomodation. Seems fair enough really when you are asking other people to pay for it. Benefits are supposed to be a safety net - nothing more.
Head Honcho Posted 29 December 2011 Posted 29 December 2011 Surely this is a more retarded post than any of mine? Debatable
Daggers Posted 30 December 2011 Posted 30 December 2011 They are'nt saying if you lose your job and can't support yourself you become destitute. They are just saying you should have to find the cheapest available acomodation. Seems fair enough really when you are asking other people to pay for it. Benefits are supposed to be a safety net - nothing more. I might value retarded opinions such as this a bit more were they spelt and punctuated correctly; it simply makes me feel the person writing them has problems with drool over the keyboard and headaches from constructing a coherent thought. When you are on your uppers you may wish to be treated with a touch more dignity than you are willing to offer others. I hope you do not receive it.
Guest BlueBrett Posted 31 December 2011 Posted 31 December 2011 get a life mate. I type quickly and don't feel the need to spell check my work when posting on an online football forum. Would have though you'd have had enough of writing in red pen and correcting spelling in your day job. Nice to see you have found your calling and all that though
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