Pearson and Momentum

[Scow]

When we finished 5th in 2009/10 under Pearson, how much was that down to a winning momentum from the League One campaign? I think back to Bristol City's first season in the Championship when they finished in the play-offs under Gary Johnson. Subsequent years saw them struggle in the lower part of the table and Johnson was eventually given the boot. Look where he is now. We've seen with the likes of Norwich and Southampton how a successful season in League One has regalvanised them.

I'm not saying that Pearson is similar to Gary Johnson, but I often wonder if Pearson's success was largely down to momentum or his managerial ability. It's probably somewhere in between the two.

[Mark_w]

Hull didn't exactly have momentum this year when they where set for a Play-Off place under Nigel Pearson. Why couldn't this have gone in the 'Pearson Out' thread?

[Libertine Dream]

Didnt have momentum from Hull coming down, steadied the ship, brought in some excellent players with next to no money and built them some very good foundations.

[Happy Fox]

You would be a fool to think that team that finished 5th in the championship could survive in this league now, it was all momentum from winning league one and the mentality in that campaign.

[Mark_w]

You would be a fool to think that team that finished 5th in the championship could survive in this league now, it was all momentum from winning league one and the mentality in that campaign.

So what about Hull?

Edit: And would that be the mentality that Nigel Pearson created within the squad?

[Scow]

Hull didn't exactly have momentum this year when they where set for a Play-Off place under Nigel Pearson. Why couldn't this have gone in the 'Pearson Out' thread?

Set for a play-off place? Only a third of the season had gone by the time he left. This is not a Pearson in or out issue - it's a broader discussion of the idea of momentum and a reflection of the 2009/10 season.

[Happy Fox]

So what about Hull?

What about them exactly? their hardly flying the league table, they are just an average championship team like us nothing more, NP isn't the man for us now in the past yes, we need someone that can get teams promoted from this level but that is my opinion I don't expect you to agree with it.

[Babylon]

You would be a fool to think that team that finished 5th in the championship could survive in this league now, it was all momentum from winning league one and the mentality in that campaign.

You'd be a fool for stating others are fools, when your own argument is based on nothing but guess work. There is more evidence they would have than there is they wouldn't.

You'd also be a fool for thinking the manager wouldn't have tried to strengthen the team in the summer if he'd had the chance. Rather than bringing in stunners like Lamey and Leon Cernic or whatever their bloody names were.

[Babylon]

What about them exactly? their hardly flying the league table, they are just an average championship team like us nothing more, NP isn't the man for us now in the past yes, we need someone that can get teams promoted from this level but that is my opinion I don't expect you to agree with it.

You have got to be the biggest reactionary I have ever seen on these boards, and frankly it takes something special to get that tag. One win and it's "keep Pearson he'll get us promoted", one loss and it's "replace Pearson he's not good enough".

[Babylon]

Set for a play-off place? Only a third of the season had gone by the time he left. This is not a Pearson in or out issue - it's a broader discussion of the idea of momentum and a reflection of the 2009/10 season.

Well they were in a better position than us, and the team looked as though it was progressing on the year before. On the Hull boards before he left if was pretty unanimous that he was doing a rather good job there, considering the amount of restructuring they had gone through.

[Scow]

Also just to add that I think Pearson has done a good job at Hull, but the no money claim is a myth. I don't know the exact amounts, but he spent a sizeable sum on Fryatt and McLean.

For the record: I do like Pearson and I think he's a very sensible and pragmatic manager. I'm not sure he's for the long-term but he left us and Hull in better positions than when he first arrived.

[Happy Fox]

You have got to be the biggest reactionary I have ever seen on these boards, and frankly it takes something special to get that tag. One win and it's "keep Pearson he'll get us promoted", one loss and it's "replace Pearson he's not good enough".

Well I just trying to keep the happy clappy's off my back giving NP some encouragement might make them resent me less, if I am being he isn't the man for the job end of, whoo such a relief to get that off my chest. If I am proved wrong by NP I expect to be vilified but I am ready for that.

[Scow]

Well they were in a better position than us, and the team looked as though it was progressing on the year before. On the Hull boards before he left if was pretty unanimous that he was doing a rather good job there, considering the amount of restructuring they had gone through.

I hope I've answered that in my post above and I recognise that he had a very tough job in steadying the ship and reducing the wage bill.

[Mark_w]

Also just to add that I think Pearson has done a good job at Hull, but the no money claim is a myth. I don't know the exact amounts, but he spent a sizeable sum on Fryatt and McLean.

For the record: I do like Pearson and I think he's a very sensible and pragmatic manager. I'm not sure he's for the long-term but he left us and Hull in better positions than when he first arrived.

I was simply answering your momentum question, he's proven he can do very similar with a club who at the time were on the way down. Who said he had no money at Hull?

[Scow]

I was simply answering your momentum question, he's proven he can do very similar with a club who at the time were on the way down. Who said he had no money at Hull?

I believe Libertine said 'next to no money'.

[Babylon]

Well I just trying to keep the happy clappy's off my back giving NP some encouragement might make them resent me less, if I am being he isn't the man for the job end of, whoo such a relief to get that off my chest. If I am proved wrong by NP I expect to be vilified but I am ready for that.

You've been flip flopping from one opinion to anther since you arrived on these boards.

[Babylon]

Also just to add that I think Pearson has done a good job at Hull, but the no money claim is a myth. I don't know the exact amounts, but he spent a sizeable sum on Fryatt and McLean.

For the record: I do like Pearson and I think he's a very sensible and pragmatic manager. I'm not sure he's for the long-term but he left us and Hull in better positions than when he first arrived.

I worked it out around the time we were after him, from memory I think it was around the £5m mark for the whole team. But there were a few frees who would have been on decent wages also.

[Happy Fox]

You've been flip flopping from one opinion to anther since you arrived on these boards.

Well I guess that is what LCFC does to you... makes you f**king despair. Quite frankly I am fed up atm not going to bother going to another game with NP at the helm, the day that Wellens, Dyer, Gallagher, Howard leave the club we will be far better.

[seenitall]

The Hull thing is a myth - he failed in the first season he was there when they would have hoped to replicate West Ham or Birmingham this year or Newcastle a couple of years ago etc etc and bounce straight back using their parachute payments to keep the fighting spirit they had shown in the tail end of their Prem season. They actually finished below Leicester last year so a pretty poor return.

This year they were very marginally better than us early on (after two summers building time for Nige mind you) and pulled ahead a little after Top destabilised our ship. I would suggest that momentum is a great thing, teams do seem to keep on going after a promotion but having missed our chance it does look as though Nige is a little bereft of ideas for turning things around. At the moment he is a manager with one really good League 1 campaign under his belt and a number of near misses in the Championship (3 now). Can he do it - well he won't have much momentum to go on after this year, so I'd say he will struggle

[Libertine Dream]

Well I just trying to keep the happy clappy's off my back giving NP some encouragement might make them resent me less, if I am being he isn't the man for the job end of, whoo such a relief to get that off my chest. If I am proved wrong by NP I expect to be vilified but I am ready for that.

Who is the right man then?

I know you'll just give me a list of names based on who they are and reputation just like you do with players we should sign, without doing the research and thinking how theyd fit in.

[Mark_w]

Well I guess that is what LCFC does to you... makes you f**king despair. Quite frankly I am fed up atm not going to bother going to another game with NP at the helm, the day that Wellens, Dyer, Gallagher, Howard leave the club we will be far better.

[seenitall]

Who is the right man then?

I know you'll just give me a list of names based on who they are and reputation just like you do with players we should sign, without doing the research and thinking how theyd fit in.

Sadly, all you are saying is that not only is Nige crap but so is everyone else, so put up with him

[Babylon]

Quite frankly I am fed up atm not going to bother going to another game with NP at the helm, the day that Wellens, Dyer, Gallagher, Howard leave the club we will be far better.

Good, one less miserable sod down at the ground.

Please enlighten us as to what midfield you would have played yesterday that didn't contain the likes of Wellens, Dyer and Gallagher.

[seenitall]

Good, one less miserable sod down at the ground.

Please enlighten us as to what midfield you would have played yesterday that didn't contain the likes of Wellens, Dyer and Gallagher.

Bamba, Drinkwater and Dyer

[Libertine Dream]

Coming to think of it he had no momentum in the L1 season. We could have just done a Preston but he got us up easily

Don't bother saying it was easy, a lot of people though lt our squad would walk it this year, you can only neat whats in front of you, NP did this and carried it through to the Championship, then it was unfairly dismantled.