Happy Fox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Who is the right man then? It wasn't NP and it wasn't Sven but that is my opinion, we needed some one to rip out this squad cut out the perennial underachievers Wellens, Dyer etc the saying never return should of been implemented in NP's case. I know you'll just give me a list of names based on who they are and reputation just like you do with players we should sign, without doing the research and thinking how theyd fit in. Someone that has a record of getting teams promoted from the championship it isn't too much to ask is it? And if that fails well I am lost for words.
Happy Fox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Good, one less miserable sod down at the ground. Please enlighten us as to what midfield you would have played yesterday that didn't contain the likes of Wellens, Dyer and Gallagher. Vassell King Drinkwater Marshall
Iwan is a Welshman Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Momentum is generate from having a successful side which is composed of talented players slotting together well as a team. Pearson built that. Of course 5th place in 09/10 was something to do with that and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Similarly that same momentum would have carried over to the next season had we not had a flipping stupid board in place. I think comparisons with Bristol City are well drawn but misplaced. We're a much bigger club with resources that City haven't got. If Pearson wants a player then he can largely go and get them.
Scow Posted 15 April 2012 Author Posted 15 April 2012 Coming to think of it he had no momentum in the L1 season. We could have just done a Preston but he got us up easily Don't bother saying it was easy, a lot of people though lt our squad would walk it this year, you can only neat whats in front of you, NP did this and carried it through to the Championship, then it was unfairly dismantled. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not dismissing his achievement of getting us out of League One. You only have to look at Forest, Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday to see how difficult it can be.
cc_star Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 The Hull thing is a myth - he failed in the first season he was there when they would have hoped to replicate West Ham or Birmingham this year or Newcastle a couple of years ago etc etc and bounce straight back using their parachute payments to keep the fighting spirit they had shown in the tail end of their Prem season. They actually finished below Leicester last year so a pretty poor return. This year they were very marginally better than us early on (after two summers building time for Nige mind you) and pulled ahead a little after Top destabilised our ship. I would suggest that momentum is a great thing, teams do seem to keep on going after a promotion but having missed our chance it does look as though Nige is a little bereft of ideas for turning things around. At the moment he is a manager with one really good League 1 campaign under his belt and a number of near misses in the Championship (3 now). Can he do it - well he won't have much momentum to go on after this year, so I'd say he will struggle Pearson's dealings stopped Hull being candidates for bankruptcy, many clubs which have to go through the level of changes Hull needed actually fall through the division, but he not only steadied the ship, but left them as realistic contenders by comparison West Ham, lost Parker & then brought a whole new team that should be good enough to challenge in the Prem, nevermind walk the division and then they signed half a new team on top of that in Jan... completely incomparable situations, although that doesn't suit your point... So just go ahead and continue spouting crap
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Pearson's dealings stopped Hull being candidates for bankruptcy, many clubs which have to go through the level of changes Hull needed actually fall through the division, but he not only steadied the ship, but left them as realistic contenders by comparison West Ham, lost Parker & then brought a whole new team that should be good enough to challenge in the Prem, nevermind walk the division and then they signed half a new team on top of that in Jan... completely incomparable situations, although that doesn't suit your point... So just go ahead and continue spouting crap Too angry - you have Nige as your man, why be so defensive (although it would help if NIge was occasionally). OK, he did a great job at Hull and this maybe explains your delight at also missing the play offs with lacklustre performances and over the hill players - you feel safe with mediocrity - relax - you have it
cc_star Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Too angry - you have Nige as your man, why be so defensive (although it would help if NIge was occasionally). OK, he did a great job at Hull and this maybe explains your delight at also missing the play offs with lacklustre performances and over the hill players - you feel safe with mediocrity - relax - you have it What a load of horse shit you speak Pointing out the usual massive flaws in your comments... and then you somehow you equate that to being delighted... far from it But like I said.... continue spouting crap
Scow Posted 15 April 2012 Author Posted 15 April 2012 Momentum is generate from having a successful side which is composed of talented players slotting together well as a team. Pearson built that. Of course 5th place in 09/10 was something to do with that and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Similarly that same momentum would have carried over to the next season had we not had a flipping stupid board in place. I think comparisons with Bristol City are well drawn but misplaced. We're a much bigger club with resources that City haven't got. If Pearson wants a player then he can largely go and get them. I think you make a good point about the resources available, but had the current owners not taken charge and MM was still in place then his position would have been similar to Johnson's. He did manage to make one signing in Kennedy and you wonder whether this would have been indicative of future signings working under the same conditions. I realise this is all hypothetical. Who is to say that Pearson would be effective with larger resources? Some managers seemed to operate better with less money available to them. Look at Holloway for example: excellent work at Plymouth and Blackpool, but failed with a much bigger budget with us, coupled with the higher expectations.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 The Hull thing is a myth - he failed in the first season he was there when they would have hoped to replicate West Ham or Birmingham this year or Newcastle a couple of years ago etc etc and bounce straight back using their parachute payments to keep the fighting spirit they had shown in the tail end of their Prem season. They actually finished below Leicester last year so a pretty poor return. Hope to replicate West Ham or Newcastle, who retained most of their squads and actually added to them? Birmingham had to get rid of a few but still managed to keep some decent players. He did a shed load of restructuring in the first summer there and many of his signings only came in January. It's for their fans to judge success not you, because you know little about their finances and who they released / signed and when etc. Their boards seemed happy and realistic at the end of that season and very happy this season.
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 What a load of horse shit you speak Pointing out the usual massive flaws in your comments... and then you somehow you equate that to being delighted... far from it But like I said.... continue spouting crap Hull were doing great you said - Nige is the man for the job you said - Hull were not expecting to bounce back and were grateful to finish mid table two years running - why is this crap? I don't think you like me because I liked Sven and your utopian Nige dream has fallen to pieces - tough tit sonny, you got your wish and it all went wrong - you and half the Sven out Nige is amazing mob
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Vassell King Drinkwater Marshall So an injured striker on the wing, and the lightest of lightweight centre mids you could ever wish to see.
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Hope to replicate West Ham or Newcastle, who retained most of their squads and actually added to them? Birmingham had to get rid of a few but still managed to keep some decent players. He did a shed load of restructuring in the first summer there and many of his signings only came in January. It's for their fans to judge success not you, because you know little about their finances and who they released / signed and when etc. Their boards seemed happy and realistic at the end of that season and very happy this season. Might have known you'd chime in with your 'Nige is a great bloke' horseshit - him Wellens, King and Gallagher and all those other overrated League 1 heroes you love so much - when they all get transferred out to Hartlepool, you can sod off and support them instead
Mark_w Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Hull were doing great you said - Nige is the man for the job you said - Hull were not expecting to bounce back and were grateful to finish mid table two years running - why is this crap? I don't think you like me because I liked Sven and your utopian Nige dream has fallen to pieces - tough tit sonny, you got your wish and it all went wrong - you and half the Sven out Nige is amazing mob Why do people think that if you like Sven you can't like Nigel, and if you like Nigel you can't like Sven. Sven wasn't given enough time, how is that Pearson's fault?
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Why do people think that if you like Sven you can't like Nigel, and if you like Nigel you can't like Sven. Sven wasn't given enough time, how is that Pearson's fault? No one said it was - Nige can't help bottling it every time it counts can he? That's not his fault, and he was amazing at Hull too.
RowlattsFox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 I don't think you can rely on momentum for a whole season, for the first 10 or so games momentum can help but after that its down to good management to keep it going.
Happy Fox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 So an injured striker on the wing, and the lightest of lightweight centre mids you could ever wish to see. Anyone but Wellens, Dyer I can just about cope with so him until Vassell is fit imo. What is wrong with Drinkwater and King in the centre of the park they wouldn't be so outrun with Wellens in their he hasn't got the stamina or intensity to play in the centre of the midfield.
RyanB89 Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Hull didn't exactly have momentum this year when they where set for a Play-Off place under Nigel Pearson. Why couldn't this have gone in the 'Pearson Out' thread? Are you part of the pearson protection brigade?
Mark_w Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 No one said it was - Nige can't help bottling it every time it counts can he? That's not his fault, and he was amazing at Hull too. If Nigel has (And he hasn't) then Sven bottled it every time it counted too. You didn't want him to be sacked though...?
TrentFox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 What the heck is "momentum" ?????? It's just win, lose or draw isn't it ??????? Is it player self-confidence we are dancing around ???
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Might have known you'd chime in with your 'Nige is a great bloke' horseshit - him Wellens, King and Gallagher and all those other overrated League 1 heroes you love so much - when they all get transferred out to Hartlepool, you can sod off and support them instead No I'm chiming in with my, "you're talking horse shit again".So funny that these "overrated" players got us to the playoffs and when you're beloved Sven tried to replace them he still kept playing them!!!!! Who was overrated, them or what he signed to replace them.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 No one said it was - Nige can't help bottling it every time it counts can he? That's not his fault, and he was amazing at Hull too. Remind me what we did under Sven back end of last season? On the first of March we were two points off 6th and ended up 8 points off come the end of the season, how many times under Sven we had the chance of making the leap but failed. It's just baffling how you can defend one manager, yet slate another, when we've had the same problems under the two of them.
Happy Fox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 At the end of the day we all want success and if NP isn't the man to deliver, than why are we hellbent in saying he is the right man for the job? I would like to see some reasons to convince me that NP can get us promoted from this division? nothing on his CV to show for it, isn't that what the owners look for? It depends the owners goals are you saw by the sacking of Sven it was short terminism because they want promotion or am I wrong.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Nige for president Typical response from you when you don't have a sensible response.
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Remind me what we did under Sven back end of last season? On the first of March we were two points off 6th and ended up 8 points off come the end of the season, how many times under Sven we had the chance of making the leap but failed. It's just baffling how you can defend one manager, yet slate another, when we've had the same problems under the two of them. Who gives a f88k about Sven? That is history now and I would have thought a quality manager with half of his old team and by anybody's (perhaps not yours) reckoning a better keeper and at least marginally better defenders (Konch/Pelts/St Ledg) and a striker of Nugents quality could have turned it around being couple of points off the play offs and with best part of 30 games left - did he - did he my arse.
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