5waller5 Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 So we've managed to agree then??? NP isn't worse, or better, than Sven's poor start to the season that got him sacked. Excellent. That's sorted then.
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Game, Set, Match to Raw Dykes Just read this - what a saddo post - Oct after 13 games with your new signings 2 points off the play offs and four off automatic - seenitall says give him more time - Top doesn't because he's a muppet April after 25 games of Nige this season and 6 points off the pace after being handed an opportunity to take us into the play offs despite blowing it already against Forest and P'boro, blows it again with a lacklustre performance and shite team selection - sack the twat That's how I feel -
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 You are so full of it. You said it was worse, it's not worse no matter how you want to try and twist it. He never said we were better, or that he was happy, or what his expectations were. Again, twist it all you want you're looking a clown more every post you make. To you but you always cry when someone moans about Nige - is he a relative?
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 You pick a side to do the job in hand. the job in hand was to beat Millwall, a Physical side away from home. So yes, I'd play a centre half in midfield as he provided a good shield to the back four and would allow the rest of the midfield to attack. The games you are comparing to were against footballing sides, no need to play your physical presence in midfield. Justifying NP's decisions is starting to make you look a bit daft Babylon ... I used to think you understood football. I'd rather play people in their positions, rather than hope a centre half could suddenly slot into a two man centre mid. He got by in a three man just, but even then he gave to ball away so often that if he did that in a two we'd be in more trouble. King and Gallagher has positive effects against Donny and Ipswich, Dyer and Drinkwater were poor. If they struggle against softer sides like Donny and Ipswich why are you so sure they would have been good enough in this game? We lost at the end of the day so the manager takes the responsibility, but it seems fairly clear to me why those changes were made.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Just read this - what a saddo post - Oct after 13 games with your new signings 2 points off the play offs and four off automatic - seenitall says give him more time - Top doesn't because he's a muppet April after 25 games of Nige this season and 6 points off the pace after being handed an opportunity to take us into the play offs despite blowing it already against Forest and P'boro, blows it again with a lacklustre performance and shite team selection - sack the twat That's how I feel - So when Sven blew is last year with half a premier league team, two points off the play offs at the beginning of March and finishing 8p points off... your scream was give him more time? Consistent you ain't. To you but you always cry when someone moans about Nige - is he a relative? And you always bleat on about someone being a Nigel lover when you have no idea how to answer their points, or you twist it to make out they are happy.
seenitall Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 You don't, right? Not any more- damage done, horse bolted etc
dog_4 Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 everyone is like we need a man with experiance of getting promotion! they also had to start somewhere to get there first one without any experiance! give nigel a chance, chris powell says he's the best manager he's worked with, and he's worked with alan curbishley who gained promotion and sven who has vast experiance! yet he said nigel was better. Time please people
shade Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 this is so boring I want to rip my face off; seenitall, happy fox, dangerous tiger and a couple of others are so obviously forest/derby/cov fans on a 'slightly more subtle than blatant trolling' wind up that's it's untrue. but still people converse with them and try to oppose their views! mental.
Happy Fox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 this is so boring I want to rip my face off; seenitall, happy fox, dangerous tiger and a couple of others are so obviously forest/derby/cov fans on a 'slightly more subtle than blatant trolling' wind up that's it's untrue. but still people converse with them and try to oppose their views! mental. How is it trolling, I will support Leicester City til the day I die, if I don't think NP is the man for the job what is the problem in that?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 If Nigel has (And he hasn't) then Sven bottled it every time it counted too. You didn't want him to be sacked though...? Two points. Last season we were heading for relegation under Sousa, and Sven took us to a position, well beyond mere safety. Sven bought his players he felt he could get the best out of, but was not allowed to do the job.. Just because Pearson can't do anything to improve us, means just that. We will never know what Sven could have achieved with those players. A lot better probably in my view, because he was far better at man-management. Pearson has failed to achieve a thing, except earn himself a fortune.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 I will support Leicester City til the day I die Apart from next year because we dare to include Gallagher, Wellens and Howard in a squad missing several players through injury.
Raw Dykes Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 So we are a better team now under Nige The squad that Sven built has performed better since NP returned than under Sven, yes. - 6 points off play offs is an achievement - when did Leicester supporters set their sights so low? No. Nobody is saying being 6 points off the playoffs is an achievement. I love the answer - at first the answer is Nige will get us up because he did great at Hull and we like him. Then he doesn't but because he has not got us relegated then we are far better off than we would have been under Sven, so he has done well again? I certainly haven't said any of this. I wouldn't have said Nige will get us up this season. I doubt you'll find anyone saying we've done well to not be relegated, without it being a joke. No-one can know how well we would be doing now had Sven never been sacked, but it wasn't looking very good when he left. I don't think anyone's saying "far better off", but the facts are, we're averaging more points post-Sven and we're higher up the table than when he left. Then its not his fault we didn't go up because he hasn't had a close season to build his own team - despite Sven 'failing' last year under the same circumstances (except he had a far bigger hill to climb, what with the old bottom with 5 points after 9 games scenario) Wouldn't you say it's a fair point to say judge NP after he's had a close season to do some transfer business? Again, I didn't hear anyone say, or read anything saying, Sven failed last year. They were not the same circumstances! You're right - we were in a worse position to start with, and Sven was given apparently unlimited resources to borrow as many Premier League players as the Football League rules would allow. Besides, why did you bring this up? What happened? Sven didn't get us into the playoffs last season. Was he sacked before the summer transfer window? No! Was this the correct decision? I think so, and I know you agree! So why do you think we should make a totally different decision for Pearson? He has performed appallingly as a manager this time round - deal with it - in most jobs being this inept after 6 months would get you fired, most City fans would not put up with this dross and the bottling it on the big occasion but for some reason there seems to be a 'love in' going on with Nige that we never afforded to guys like Micky Adams (automatic promotion 12 points clear of the third place team). Sigh. Compared to what? What's this based on? I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself. If you had very high expectations of every manager, but you were consistent in your arguments, I'd be able to take you seriously. You say NP has performed appallingly since his return, but in the 5 months he's been back, he's made Sven's team perform better than Sven did himself. If you were consistent, you would have been calling for Sven's sacking at the time, but you weren't. It doesn't add up. 13th with manager a after a whole year, "Don't sack him. He just needs more time." 9th with manager b after 5 months, "Appalling! Sack him!" Why can you not see that this is not reasonable? Nige has gone off the boil - maybe the sacking by MM a couple of years ago undermined his confidence but he finished below Leicester with a newly relegated team when they might have at least hoped for play offs and he has failed at Leicester this year. I wish him well but I don't see a bright future with him here For a start, Nige wasn't sacked. He was allowed to speak to Hull, and felt the lack of effort shown by the club to keep hold of him meant he wasn't wanted. You bang on about his time at Hull a lot, but you don't recognise the situation that club was in. They hadn't planned for relegation. They overspent, and when they were relegated, this needed fixing. NP had to slash the wage bill and build a more sustainable squad. He achieved this, and the fact they have been challenging for promotion since, with an excellent defence, is a positive, is it not? You don't see a bright future because you've already made your mind up about him. Why not give him time to make the changes that we can all see need to be made before deciding? The current squad is not the finished article. They've failed to impress under two talented, and very different managers. Whether it's NP, or any other manager in charge of this squad, there will have to be players bought and sold over the summer to turn them into title contenders, so why not wait until after the imminent close season before making your mind up about the manager? I am really only asking for a bit of consistency and fairness on your part. You acknowledge that Sven was sacked too soon after a year in charge, and many, I included, agree. Now you think Pearson should be sacked after only five months, despite getting the team to perform better than Sven, and not yet having a chance to make the team his own.
Happy Fox Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Apart from next year because we dare to include Gallagher, Wellens and Howard in a squad missing several players through injury. It just infuriating seeing them in selection but I guess have to get used to it for the foreseeable future , but really we aren't going to progress with those players in the side.
Mark_w Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Sven bought his players he felt he could get the best out of, but was not allowed to do the job.. So because Sven wasn't neither should Nigel? Selling Bamba would be a mistake. Have to say I fancy Leeds to go up next season, with Warnock at the helm. Like him or not, he is a good manager, and not the idiot some people make him out to be. And yet he's been doing similarly at Leeds this season as Nigel has at Leicester. You think both deserve next season right...? Go on then.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Last season we were heading for relegation under Sousa, and Sven took us to a position, well beyond mere safety. Sousa was a disaster, we had a team of PROVEN play off position quality. As people say about Pearson getting us out of league one, any fool could have done that with the team we had. Especially when given the money to sign players like Yakubu, Naughton, Curtis Davies etc etc. Sven bought his players he felt he could get the best out of, but was not allowed to do the job.. Just because Pearson can't do anything to improve us, means just that. We will never know what Sven could have achieved with those players. A lot better probably in my view, because he was far better at man-management. But that's the point, there is nothing to show that Sven was capable of getting anything more out of this group. He got us two points off the play offs last year and blew it by bringing in Bruma and the other donkey form Chelsea. For all any of us now what we have know is the best either of them could get out of the players.
Webbo Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Babs, Raw Dykes and others. we all appreciate your attempts to speak common sense but lets face it you're wasting your breath. Let the haters enjoy their achievement, we've lost another game and they get the chance to say I told you so. Let them have their moment in the sun. Every time you reply to their deluded rants you give then another opportunity to bore the arse off the rest of us.
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Babs, Raw Dykes and others. we all appreciate your attempts to speak common sense but lets face it you're wasting your breath. Let the haters enjoy their achievement, we've lost another game and they get the chance to say I told you so. Let them have their moment in the sun. Every time you reply to their deluded rants you give then another opportunity to bore the arse off the rest of us. You bloody Pearson bummer, can't believe people are happy with where we are. Etc Etc....
Guy Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Have you ever watched a Premier league match? Yes, I do so every week! I may go around the houses a bit with my explanations at times (as I admittedly haven't got the short-cut football lingo like a few have on here!) but I think the likes of Beckford, Schmeichel, Marshall, Drinkwater and others would hold their own better in the Prem. next season as they feel that's where they belong - rather than in the Championship once again next season, assuming things stay as they are for the next month ahead. Going up would surely improve players who've been here longer too like Dyer, King, Gallagher and Wellens - especially in a psychological sense........pitting their wits against superior opposition. This has improved the likes of Grant Holt and Wes Houlihan amongst other Norwich players this season - if you get my drift. I suppose what I'm saying is in response to your alluding to the fact that we would fare worse than Derby did five seasons ago in the Prem. whereas I think we would be nowhere near that bad after we've strengthened up in certain areas and shifted out some of the deadwood. The likes of some of the players who've been here for two-three years now (since we came back up from League One) like Gallagher and Wellens have probably become jaded as Championship players by now and had probably hoped to have been going up this season - that's probably going to be their negative mindset if we finish where we are now and it won't bode well for next season I fear, unless Pearson gets rid of them, which I can't see. That's why teams such as ours then start to slump if they have a season of under achievement and then take it with them into the next one. Huddersfield in the league below could be a shining example of that phenomenon happening for them all over again! Whereas last season was essentially a repair job season under Sven after that disastrous start under Sousa, we still showed potential to go up at times (esp. after those seven straight wins) and we should've kept our heads up and carried it on into this season but we were stumbling and spluttering after only the second game after the summer of major cash distraction! The rest is history of course. Whether Pearson will be able to inspire the troops again next season after this (if it fails and we stay put) is a moot point. Playing in the Premier next season would probably improve all of our players......from the relative expensive newcomers to the more journeymen types like Dyer and others, it would raise their game to a new level. That, rather than having to do it all over again in the Championship (with another high risk of failure next season in the offing possibly with nothing guaranteed). I mean what would have become of us under Martin O'Neill had we not gone up to the Premiershp in 1996 I wonder and lost to Palace instead......?? Would the likes of Izzett, Lennon, Claridge, Heskey and co. have gelled as well in the second tier of the time I wonder? We also attracted better players like Cotttee, Kasey Keller, Matt Ellioitt, Steve Guppy and Ian Marshall thanks to being in the Premiership.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 How many people are saying he is? 99.9% are saying he should be given the chance to prove it one way or another. What had Sven done in the last 10 years to show he can do it in this league? Has Mick McCarthy proven he can get teams turned around and promoted in 6 months, No. As I said before to you, if Wolves or Sunderland has sacked him in his first year for failing to get promoted, he'd never have been there a year or two later to actually get them promoted. People seem to have the mentality of keep sacking every manager we have after 5 months until we luck out and find one that happens to work a miracle. How often does that happen for teams? Every 20/25 years? Babble on! Please show us all, how you know 99.9% of people wish him to be given a longer time to prove himself? We all know you don't like those of us who believe that Pearson is not the right man to take our club forward, but please don't conjure up ridiculous figures like this. You only make yourself look a "Silly Billy"! We don't want that now do we? :unsure:
Corky Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 Two points. Last season we were heading for relegation under Sousa, and Sven took us to a position, well beyond mere safety. This season, McDermott at Reading acquired fewer points in his first six games than Sousa did. Do you reckon he'll be praised for keeping them up? Or will they look at it and think- "They probably shouldn't have been down there in the first place?" Sven did some good things for us but saving us from relegation, with 36 games left, is not one that should be lauded.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 This season, McDermott at Reading acquired fewer points in his first six games than Sousa did. Do you reckon he'll be praised for keeping them up? Or will they look at it and think- "They probably shouldn't have been down there in the first place?" Sven did some good things for us but saving us from relegation, with 36 games left, is not one that should be lauded. I see your point, but what would have happened had Sousa stayed. Also it,was not what I would describe as a good side, only fair. We don't know what other managers may have done, but only that Sven did do it. However Sven has gone, and that is history. It is all about now, and how the Thais interpret the season when it ends. They brought in Pearson to get us promoted this season, not maybe next. It is going to be interesting, if nothing else, when the season closes.
davieG Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 I see your point, but what would have happened had Sousa stayed. Also it,was not what I would describe as a good side, only fair. We don't know what other managers may have done, but only that Sven did do it. However Sven has gone, and that is history. It is all about now, and how the Thais interpret the season when it ends. They brought in Pearson to get us promoted this season, not maybe next. It is going to be interesting, if nothing else, when the season closes. You know that how?
Babylon Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 They brought in Pearson to get us promoted this season, not maybe next. Please don't conjure up these ridiculous made up facts, you'll only look like a "silly billy".
Raw Dykes Posted 15 April 2012 Posted 15 April 2012 If it isn't worse (which he did say) and it isn't better, which he didn't then it must be the same - but I can't believe that, so if it really isn't worse then by definition he must think it's better - don't bother with me by all means but hey, read da posts kiddo I've never used this before, but Why don't you just read what I wrote?
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