jock2612 Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 After reading the transfer rumors am unsure what to think. NP's policy of young, hungry players on reasonable wages seems to be the way the club is moving, the problem with youngsters is inconsistency, the main problem last season. If the Vardy transfer goes through then that is much the same. Mills et al are big money and have on the whole not fulfilled their potential. So what players should we be going for? Clayton from Leeds? i.e. established Championship players.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 After reading the transfer rumors am unsure what to think. NP's policy of young, hungry players on reasonable wages seems to be the way the club is moving, the problem with youngsters is inconsistency, the main problem last season. If the Vardy transfer goes through then that is much the same. Mills et al are big money and have on the whole not fulfilled their potential. So what players should we be going for? Clayton from Leeds? i.e. established Championship players. I never really get this 'the problem with youngsters is inconsistency' argument. If they are good enough they will be consistently good. Take Rooney, Owen, Fowler... Very good examples, and there's lots more, of young players who were consistent from such an early age. Ironically, some of these players actually become more inconsistent, for various reasons, with age. Now look at City this season... In fact, some of our most inconsistent players were actually our more established ones.... Mills, Bamba, Beckford, Gally to name but four. I maintain that quality is quality and can be seen from a young age. Of course, players will peak, physically, at a certain age. Steve Gerrard, for example, was in his pomp at around 26/27 as, it was argued, he was still developing physically until then. Where I DO agree with you is in looking for established Championship players. However, for me this is not necessarily about 'consistency', it's more about having the experience of what is needed to tough it out in the championship. Again, this was one of my biggest criticisms of Sven.... The type of player he went for was mainly relatively inexperienced at Championship level. Signings like Chris Gunter from the trees or Clayton from Leeds, would be good ones to make, not because of their age but because of their experience of playing on this division. Oh, and they both look good enough...
AyewJoking Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 How can you complain about any signings we make this summer? The majority of last seasons players were a joke, things can only get better.
flowwolf Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 How can you complain about any signings we make this summer? The majority of last seasons players were a joke, things can only get better. Yes Labour had that as their theme tune and we ended up with Brown. :D :D :D
stourbridgefox Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 Yes Labour had that as their theme tune and we ended up with Brown. :D :D :D That was the theme tune to the 1997 election campaign when Blair was elected by a landslide. And...for the vast majority of people, things got better. It was only the ticking time-bomb of banking deregulation left over from the Thatcher regime that made things worse for most people, but not for all those yuppies who made a killing from the new banking free for all. And when Gordon Brown left in May 2010, we had had growth of 0.6 in the first quarter. We were out of recession and growing. I didn't like Gordon Brown and there are a lot of things he can be accused of...but not the banking crisis or our current double dip recession.
Steven Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 I didn't like Gordon Brown and there are a lot of things he can be accused of...the banking crisis for one
stourbridgefox Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 I didn't like Gordon Brown and there are a lot of things he can be accused of...the banking crisis for one Evidence of how this was Brown's fault please.
stourbridgefox Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 "The biggest happening of the 1980s was the sudden deregulation of the financial markets in the UK in 1986. The phrase Big Bang was coined to describe measures including abolition of fixed commission charges and of the distinction between stockjobbers and stockbrokers on the London Stock Exchange, as well as change from an open-outcry to electronic, screen-based trading." Wikipedia What this actually means is that financial responsibility at the centre of banking was replaced by commercial interests. So all those very responsible bankers in bowler hats were replaced with yuppies who care of nothing other than their bank balance. It also meant that banks would not have to be split along the lines of savings and investments, which meant your bank could now gamble with everyone's money and not just money placed in the bank for the purpose of stock market speculation. It also removed the onus on lenders to check whether the recipient of a loan cold afford to repay it. Instead, commercial decisions ruled, which means it might be more profitable to lend too much to someone and then charge higher interest and charges. So is it more Brown's fault for not changing it or Thatcher's fault for doing it in the first place? If you are going to blame Brown, then why not Blair,or Major who didn't change it either?
Langley Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 Okay. This has gone off topic now. I've got a Politics AND History degree. Don't make me go all Harvard reference yo' ass. Back to football before someone gets owned.
flowwolf Posted 14 May 2012 Posted 14 May 2012 That was the theme tune to the 1997 election campaign when Blair was elected by a landslide. And...for the vast majority of people, things got better. It was only the ticking time-bomb of banking deregulation left over from the Thatcher regime that made things worse for most people, but not for all those yuppies who made a killing from the new banking free for all. And when Gordon Brown left in May 2010, we had had growth of 0.6 in the first quarter. We were out of recession and growing. I didn't like Gordon Brown and there are a lot of things he can be accused of...but not the banking crisis or our current double dip recession. Jeeze Stourbridge calm down man. I was not making a political point just a light hearted jest at the song that's all. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 .Ok, I'm calm. You tell um. What's right is right along with the take-over of the friendly society's and insurance companies, just look at football how many clubs are insolvent or using income to cover debt ! Bolton £100 mill reputed by the media
flowwolf Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 You tell um. What's right is right along with the take-over of the friendly society's and insurance companies, just look at football how many clubs are insolvent or using income to cover debt ! Bolton £100 mill reputed by the media Well things can only get better. :whistle: :whistle: :whistle:
stourbridgefox Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 Well things can only get better. :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: Once we get rid of the ConDems...yes.
Bettsj2 Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 I never really get this 'the problem with youngsters is inconsistency' argument. If they are good enough they will be consistently good. Take Rooney, Owen, Fowler... Very good examples, and there's lots more, of young players who were consistent from such an early age. Ironically, some of these players actually become more inconsistent, for various reasons, with age. Now look at City this season... In fact, some of our most inconsistent players were actually our more established ones.... Mills, Bamba, Beckford, Gally to name but four. I maintain that quality is quality and can be seen from a young age. Of course, players will peak, physically, at a certain age. Steve Gerrard, for example, was in his pomp at around 26/27 as, it was argued, he was still developing physically until then. Where I DO agree with you is in looking for established Championship players. However, for me this is not necessarily about 'consistency', it's more about having the experience of what is needed to tough it out in the championship. Again, this was one of my biggest criticisms of Sven.... The type of player he went for was mainly relatively inexperienced at Championship level. Signings like Chris Gunter from the trees or Clayton from Leeds, would be good ones to make, not because of their age but because of their experience of playing on this division. Oh, and they both look good enough... Sven signed a number of players with Championship experience last summer and it didnt work. As long as the right type of player is signed, the team as a whole benefit.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 Sven signed a number of players with Championship experience last summer and it didnt work. As long as the right type of player is signed, the team as a whole benefit. Thinking about it more, Sven did sign some players with Championship experience to be fair and actually most of these were the better players over the season. Nugent, Kasper, Konch. However, he also signed quite a few without such experience... Beckford, Peltier, Gelson, Fat Johnno, Bamba, Balls... And these signings didn't work as well IMO. Mills was the major anomaly. Championship experience yes, but he looked very very average.
MPH Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 Once we get rid of the ConDems...yes. and things were better under labour how exactly?
stourbridgefox Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 and things were better under labour how exactly? Many,many ways which I can't be bothered to list. But don't forget, we had growth of 0.6% for the first quarter of 2010.
Weller in Tights Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 Politics............. oh a very dangerous game amongst football fans. Best to stay clear. Leicester's supporters are no St Pauli (left wing) or Lazio (right wing), I think we have the full mix, so keep the chat in here to football I think is probably for the best. (Just for the record though, get the Tories and their Liberal lackies out at the first possible chance, they have no concept of what it is like for the average person in Britain today. Labour??? true not the socialist party I would like but one or two of them have a grip on reality)
stourbridgefox Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 I pledge I will refrain from any more inappropriate political comments on this thread. Apart from... Power to the People !!
flowwolf Posted 15 May 2012 Posted 15 May 2012 In light of the previous outrageous plugs for the tory/libs and Labour I would just like to say Ukip to you all.
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