British Pakistani Youths

[Iftikhar]

Established 1981

London School of Islamics

An Educational Trust

63 Margery Park Road London E7 9LD

Email: [email protected]

www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Tel/Fax: 0208 555 2733 / 07817 112

British Pakistani Youths

Professor Yunus Samad of Bradford University delivered a lecture at Pakistan High Commission on the issues of the Pakistani youth. He criticised the Muslim community, Muslim parents, Masajid and Imams for all the problems of the Muslim youths.

In my view British education system and native teachers are responsible, who have no respect for Islamic values, languages and Muslim community. British education is the home of institutional racism. The schools and the teaching profession never tried to meet the needs and demands of Pakistani or Muslim children. They need a different approach in education. The native teachers do not have a clue of their mother tongues and values. There is a negative co-relation between school and home. The children come to schools with different values which have no place in English schools. They are victim of bullying through out their school life. The result is that they suffer from Identity Crises, making them mis-fit not only for the Muslim community but also for the host society. Majority of them leave schools with low grades or without any qualification. They suffer from mental, emotional and personality problems due to the fact that they have been mis-educated and de-educated by a system which does not understand them. In my view British education is responsible for all the problems of Pakistani youths, and not the parents, Masajid or Imams.

Pakistani bilingual children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to learn Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn Arabic to recite and understand the Holly Quran. They need to learn Urdu language to study and enjoy the beauty of Urdu literature and poetry and to keep in touch with their cultural roots. Most of Islamic literature and poetry is in Urdu and without learning Urdu they are unable to understand the spirit of Islam.

Iftikhar Ahmad

[shack]

...and?

Is this a statement, advertisement, spam or something to get a reaction?

[stez]

no shit sherlock, but if i want to learn about my apparent indian heritage (great great grandmother apparently) i've gotta do it in my own time

[Knighton Matt]

No offence but if someone comes to my house they should respect my rules in the same way if I went to a Muslim household I wouldn't start telling them what to do I would respect their rules. People come to this country mostly by free choice so they should respect the rules in place, if they don't like it they should leave. I may be branded a racist here but this is my honest opinion. When lots of Eastern Europeans fled communism after WW2 and came to set up a home in Britain they were treated as second class citizens, were only allowed to take certain jobs etc etc but they got on with it and overcame these conditions to become important and fully integrated members of society...

[Ric Flair]

That's why this country is such a pushover though because they don't have to live by our rules. That is the main reason we have alot of Somalian people that live in this country, they originally moved to Holland but the dutch demanded them to live the way they do and follow their society. Somalians didn't like that so came to good old britain for a free for all.

Happy Days

[Babylon]

In my view British education system and native teachers are responsible, who have no respect for Islamic values, languages and Muslim community.

140998[/snapback]

Why should they?

There is a negative co-relation between school and home. The children come to schools with different values which have no place in English schools.

140998[/snapback]

Try integrating your home life, why change a whole system to suit the minority??

Pakistani bilingual children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.

140998[/snapback]

STATE FUNDED??? Fund them yourselves, like parents who send their children to private schools do when they are unhappy with what the state provides.

[Phil]

Muslims shouldn't have different schools. The younger a child comes into Contact with someone of a different Race (which would most likely happen through school) the easier it is for them to understand that not everyone is the same. not only that Muslims expect to be treated equally as does everyone no matter their Race how will this happen if they have seperate schools?

[Guest]

This is a wind up. I'd close this thread, or ignore it at the least before it denigrates.

[lush]

No offence but if someone comes to my house they should respect my rules in the same way if I went to a Muslim household I wouldn't start telling them what to do I would respect their rules.  People come to this country mostly by free choice so they should respect the rules in place, if they don't like it they should leave.  I may be branded a racist here but this is my honest opinion.

141015[/snapback]

At the moment, giving an opinion isnt racist, but it soon will be when labour introduce the riligious hatred law.

[lush]

This is a wind up.  I'd close this thread, or ignore it at the least before it denigrates.

141093[/snapback]

"ignore it"?

I`d learn not to contradict myself if i were you.

[shack]

This obviously spam - most likely the same person has posted the same bollox on a load of other sites.

A user with one post hoping you will look at the web address that is posted - highly unlikley to be back.

IMO...Although the original post is just a statement and the user won't answer any of the questions or points of view, I feel that this topic will get a lot of replies!!

[Anish]

A typical ignorant view by the original poster.

It seems these Muslims want to come to Britain to enjoy the benefits of social welfare, a free education and a free health system, but do not want to integrate into society and harmonise with the locals. In my opinions the view that Muslim children need to go to separate Muslim schools (otherwise they will be bullied etc) is utter crap. This is a multicultural society, and Muslim schools go against co-operation with the host country. We should be integrating with others to learn about new cultures, beliefs, histories etc - and learn to appreciate the way other people live. This isn't possible with Muslim only schools.

As for state funded Muslim schools, that is a disgrace to all taxpayers. Why should Muslims benefit from separate schools? Why not go the whole hog and make separate schools for Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, black people etc? Or even further, let's make jobs for just Muslims, Hindus, blacks etc. Ridiculous.

If Muslims want separate schools, pay for them yourselves.

[City Fan]

No offence but if someone comes to my house they should respect my rules in the same way if I went to a Muslim household I wouldn't start telling them what to do I would respect their rules.  People come to this country mostly by free choice so they should respect the rules in place, if they don't like it they should leave.  I may be branded a racist here but this is my honest opinion. When lots of Eastern Europeans fled communism after WW2 and came to set up a home in Britain they were treated as second class citizens, were only allowed to take certain jobs etc etc but they got on with it and overcame these conditions to become important and fully integrated members of society...

141015[/snapback]

Agree with that 100%.

It's like my Auntie's friend got took to court because she had some little model pigs on the window cill which Muslims complained about. (No joke)

And Birmingham decided not to have a santa in the town last year because it would upset the Muslim community. Who cares? If they chose to live in this country, they should respect our religion and beliefs, which they obviously don't. I have lived in the Middle East and respected things like Eid etc.

Im not being racist or anything but at the end of the day this is ENGLAND. If Muslims or anyone else wants to come and live here then that's fine, but to try and take over in terms of religion etc. is out of order.

[Hullfox]

Established 1981

London School of Islamics   

An Educational Trust

63 Margery Park Road London E7 9LD

  Email: [email protected]

www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Tel/Fax: 0208 555 2733 / 07817 112

British Pakistani Youths

Professor Yunus Samad of Bradford University delivered a lecture at Pakistan High Commission on the issues of the Pakistani youth. He criticised the Muslim community, Muslim parents, Masajid and Imams for all the problems of the Muslim youths.

In my view British education system and native teachers are responsible, who have no respect for Islamic values, languages and Muslim community. British education is the home of institutional racism. The schools and the teaching profession never tried to meet the needs and demands of Pakistani or Muslim children. They need a different approach in education. The native teachers do not have a clue of their mother tongues and values. There is a negative co-relation between school and home. The children come to schools with different values which have no place in English schools. They are victim of bullying through out their school life. The result is that they suffer from Identity Crises, making them mis-fit not only for the Muslim community but also for the host society. Majority of them leave schools with low grades or without any qualification. They suffer from mental, emotional and personality problems due to the fact that they have been mis-educated and de-educated by a system which does not understand them. In my view British education is responsible for all the problems of Pakistani youths, and not the parents, Masajid or Imams.

Pakistani bilingual children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to learn Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn Arabic to recite and understand the Holly Quran. They need to learn Urdu language to study and enjoy the beauty of Urdu literature and poetry and to keep in touch with their cultural roots. Most of Islamic literature and poetry is in Urdu and without learning Urdu they are unable to understand the spirit of Islam. 

Iftikhar Ahmad

140998[/snapback]

Great first post Iftikhar.

What's your view on the left back slot next season?

[Babylon]

Established 1981

London School of Islamics    

An Educational Trust

63 Margery Park Road London E7 9LD

  Email: [email protected]

www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

Tel/Fax: 0208 555 2733 / 07817 112

British Pakistani Youths

Professor Yunus Samad of Bradford University delivered a lecture at Pakistan High Commission on the issues of the Pakistani youth. He criticised the Muslim community, Muslim parents, Masajid and Imams for all the problems of the Muslim youths.

In my view British education system and native teachers are responsible, who have no respect for Islamic values, languages and Muslim community. British education is the home of institutional racism. The schools and the teaching profession never tried to meet the needs and demands of Pakistani or Muslim children. They need a different approach in education. The native teachers do not have a clue of their mother tongues and values. There is a negative co-relation between school and home. The children come to schools with different values which have no place in English schools. They are victim of bullying through out their school life. The result is that they suffer from Identity Crises, making them mis-fit not only for the Muslim community but also for the host society. Majority of them leave schools with low grades or without any qualification. They suffer from mental, emotional and personality problems due to the fact that they have been mis-educated and de-educated by a system which does not understand them. In my view British education is responsible for all the problems of Pakistani youths, and not the parents, Masajid or Imams.

Pakistani bilingual children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. They need to learn Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn Arabic to recite and understand the Holly Quran. They need to learn Urdu language to study and enjoy the beauty of Urdu literature and poetry and to keep in touch with their cultural roots. Most of Islamic literature and poetry is in Urdu and without learning Urdu they are unable to understand the spirit of Islam. 

Iftikhar Ahmad

140998[/snapback]

Great first post Iftikhar.

What's your view on the left back slot next season?

141205[/snapback]

As long as they see the beauty of Urdu literature and poetry he isn't too fussed. He has his sights on Wazim Ahmad of FC Islam in the muslim second division.

[Thracian]

That's why this country is such a pushover though because they don't have to live by our rules. That is the main reason we have alot of Somalian people that live in this country, they originally moved to Holland but the dutch demanded them to live the way they do and follow their society. Somalians didn't like that so came to good old britain for a free for all.

Happy Days

141088[/snapback]

Classic Muslim political policy as their continue their declared campaign towards world religious domination - complain and gain further concessions.

Nor can they go wrong with New Labour's poodle the BBC giving them air time for publicity - even extremist publicity - on a day by day basis.

The Dutch offer a pointer. I lived their briefly and they are truly the most tolerate and broad-minded of people but even they got fed up of their way of life and traditions being undermined.

But, while people remain daft enough to vote for Blair and his cronies you will continue to have a Government which doesn't give a damn about our traditions and way of life. Oh yes, he talks the talk but he's a proven bullshitter just like so many of his colleagues.

Muslims love to talk about being treated fairly, complaining of racial prejudice, of being perpetually bullied and victimised as if they are the only ones to suffer such difficulties.

But does their call for fairness apply to themselves?. Don't be silly. It's all political manouvring.

They want their mosques and their all-Muslim schools here but where are the Christian churches and the Christian schools in the oh-so-fair Islamic states. They don't even let their own people have religious freedom of choice let alone encouraging visitors to do so.

Truth is that any non Muslim visiting or living in an Islamic state has to respect their ways or else and open non-conformist is simply not tolerated. It is a powerful religion in part because it maintains a powerful and unbending grip on its followers.

We have allowed all our religious, our family and our educational strengths to be evaporated by the "liberals" and reformists who have wilfully evaporated everything that once gave this country respect, strength and vigour.

It is time now that the people of this country started to show some spiritual unity again and to demand the proper and unambiguous respect for our ways. Blair won't lead us in doing this so it is time someone else did, and quickly.

Years and years ago when Blair was first elected I declared that "it was the biggest own goal in British history." It is worse than that. He has slowly abandoned and spat on the soul of our country granting ever-more concessions to a European ideal we do not want or support and to visitors from overseas who so-often inwardly abhor our way of life.

[Ric Flair]

That's why this country is such a pushover though because they don't have to live by our rules. That is the main reason we have alot of Somalian people that live in this country, they originally moved to Holland but the dutch demanded them to live the way they do and follow their society. Somalians didn't like that so came to good old britain for a free for all.

Happy Days

141088[/snapback]

Classic Muslim political policy as their continue their declared campaign towards world religious domination - complain and gain further concessions.

Nor can they go wrong with New Labour's poodle the BBC giving them air time for publicity - even extremist publicity - on a day by day basis.

The Dutch offer a pointer. I lived their briefly and they are truly the most tolerate and broad-minded of people but even they got fed up of their way of life and traditions being undermined.

But, while people remain daft enough to vote for Blair and his cronies you will continue to have a Government which doesn't give a damn about our traditions and way of life. Oh yes, he talks the talk but he's a proven bullshitter just like so many of his colleagues.

Muslims love to talk about being treated fairly, complaining of racial prejudice, of being perpetually bullied and victimised as if they are the only ones to suffer such difficulties.

But does their call for fairness apply to themselves?. Don't be silly. It's all political manouvring.

They want their mosques and their all-Muslim schools here but where are the Christian churches and the Christian schools in the oh-so-fair Islamic states. They don't even let their own people have religious freedom of choice let alone encouraging visitors to do so.

Truth is that any non Muslim visiting or living in an Islamic state has to respect their ways or else and open non-conformist is simply not tolerated. It is a powerful religion in part because it maintains a powerful and unbending grip on its followers.

We have allowed all our religious, our family and our educational strengths to be evaporated by the "liberals" and reformists who have wilfully evaporated everything that once gave this country respect, strength and vigour.

It is time now that the people of this country started to show some spiritual unity again and to demand the proper and unambiguous respect for our ways. Blair won't lead us in doing this so it is time someone else did, and quickly.

Years and years ago when Blair was first elected I declared that "it was the biggest own goal in British history." It is worse than that. He has slowly abandoned and spat on the soul of our country granting ever-more concessions to a European ideal we do not want or support and to visitors from overseas who so-often inwardly abhor our way of life.

141272[/snapback]

Every single word of that was a breath of fresh air. Spot on my son.

[Teeno]

A typical ignorant view by the original poster.

It seems these Muslims want to come to Britain to enjoy the benefits of social welfare, a free education and a free health system, but do not want to integrate into society and harmonise with the locals. In my opinions the view that Muslim children need to go to separate Muslim schools (otherwise they will be bullied etc) is utter crap. This is a multicultural society, and Muslim schools go against co-operation with the host country. We should be integrating with others to learn about new cultures, beliefs, histories etc - and learn to appreciate the way other people live. This isn't possible with Muslim only schools.

As for state funded Muslim schools, that is a disgrace to all taxpayers. Why should Muslims benefit from separate schools? Why not go the whole hog and make separate schools for Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, black people etc? Or even further, let's make jobs for just Muslims, Hindus, blacks etc. Ridiculous.

If Muslims want separate schools, pay for them yourselves.

141169[/snapback]

spot on

[Thracian]

Muslims shouldn't have different schools. The younger a child comes into Contact with someone of a different Race (which would most likely happen through school) the easier it is for them to understand that not everyone is the same. not only that Muslims expect to be treated equally as does everyone no matter their Race how will this happen if they have seperate schools?

141092[/snapback]

Absolutely right so long as you build in that nothing (such as the proportion of Muslim teachers) is allowed to undermine the essential christianity (small c) of our way of life.

By the way many Muslims are fearful of interdenominational schools because it threatens the autocracy of their own religion by showing that there are other ways and other choices.

Nothing new. Mao Tse Tung made sure the Chinese were shielded from other ideas and influences (at the cost of millions of lives).

[Katy]

Muslims shouldn't have different schools. The younger a child comes into Contact with someone of a different Race (which would most likely happen through school) the easier it is for them to understand that not everyone is the same. not only that Muslims expect to be treated equally as does everyone no matter their Race how will this happen if they have seperate schools?

141092[/snapback]

Absolutely right so long as you build in that nothing (such as the proportion of Muslim teachers) is allowed to undermine the essential christianity (small c) of our way of life.

By the way many Muslims are fearful of interdenominational schools because it threatens the autocracy of their own religion by showing that there are other ways and other choices.

Nothing new. Mao Tse Tung made sure the Chinese were shielded from other ideas and influences (at the cost of millions of lives).

141838[/snapback]

stez as kat

in that case then ther should be no catholic schools non of the hippy type, kids can do no wrong, schools and other such no CoE schools

[lush]

Agree with that 100%.

It's like my Auntie's friend got took to court because she had some little model pigs on the window cill which Muslims complained about. (No joke)

And Birmingham decided not to have a santa in the town last year because it would upset the Muslim community. Who cares? If they chose to live in this country, they should respect our religion and beliefs, which they obviously don't. I have lived in the Middle East and respected things like Eid etc. 

Im not being racist or anything but at the end of the day this is ENGLAND. If Muslims or anyone else wants to come and live here then that's fine, but to try and take over in terms of religion etc. is out of order.

141175[/snapback]

Someone made a great point on talksport earlier today, he said that if English people went to saudi Arabia or UAE, they wouldnt be allowed to change the existing cultured way of life like many cultures have been allowed to do here.

Ive always thought the indigenous cultures here would be the first to wage war if anyone. How mazing that those weve allowed into our country attack us first.

[lush]

That's why this country is such a pushover though because they don't have to live by our rules. That is the main reason we have alot of Somalian people that live in this country, they originally moved to Holland but the dutch demanded them to live the way they do and follow their society. Somalians didn't like that so came to good old britain for a free for all.

Happy Days

141088[/snapback]

Classic Muslim political policy as their continue their declared campaign towards world religious domination - complain and gain further concessions.

Nor can they go wrong with New Labour's poodle the BBC giving them air time for publicity - even extremist publicity - on a day by day basis.

The Dutch offer a pointer. I lived their briefly and they are truly the most tolerate and broad-minded of people but even they got fed up of their way of life and traditions being undermined.

But, while people remain daft enough to vote for Blair and his cronies you will continue to have a Government which doesn't give a damn about our traditions and way of life. Oh yes, he talks the talk but he's a proven bullshitter just like so many of his colleagues.

Muslims love to talk about being treated fairly, complaining of racial prejudice, of being perpetually bullied and victimised as if they are the only ones to suffer such difficulties.

But does their call for fairness apply to themselves?. Don't be silly. It's all political manouvring.

They want their mosques and their all-Muslim schools here but where are the Christian churches and the Christian schools in the oh-so-fair Islamic states. They don't even let their own people have religious freedom of choice let alone encouraging visitors to do so.

Truth is that any non Muslim visiting or living in an Islamic state has to respect their ways or else and open non-conformist is simply not tolerated. It is a powerful religion in part because it maintains a powerful and unbending grip on its followers.

We have allowed all our religious, our family and our educational strengths to be evaporated by the "liberals" and reformists who have wilfully evaporated everything that once gave this country respect, strength and vigour.

It is time now that the people of this country started to show some spiritual unity again and to demand the proper and unambiguous respect for our ways. Blair won't lead us in doing this so it is time someone else did, and quickly.

Years and years ago when Blair was first elected I declared that "it was the biggest own goal in British history." It is worse than that. He has slowly abandoned and spat on the soul of our country granting ever-more concessions to a European ideal we do not want or support and to visitors from overseas who so-often inwardly abhor our way of life.

141272[/snapback]

I love thee!

My friend, you are a worthy gentleman with ample strengths to lead a country to greatness.

Did i hear correctly that blair is advocating more faith schools???

If so, how is this segregational policy, a plausable policy in his all faiths together multicultural experiment going to work?