Carl the Llama Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 ... If evolution doesn't exist, how do you explain that guy in my avatar turning into a Gyarados(the guy pictured below)? Shit just got real.
Rincewind Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 http://freethoughtblogs.com/amilliongods/2013/02/17/atheists-dont-need-religion/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FreethoughtBlogs+%28Freethought+Blogs%29 And you are here through UTTER chance. There are 7 billion people on earth. 3.5 billion men. Each produces 5 to 7 ml of sperm per ejaculate containing 150 Million sperm cells to 200 million sperm cells EACH. You have come from just ONE of those. A RANDOM chance made you. You are 1 in at least 150,000,000. If we took that on a global scale you are a 1 in 525000000000. So, if man is nothing more than a creature that has won the “evolutionary lottery,†why does he need hope? More precisely, how does one convey hope to a being that has come into existence purely by evolutionary chance? See this is why Creationists shouldn’t teach Science. Evolutionary Lottery doesn’t mean anything. Evolution is survival and despite what you think there are more bacteria inside you than there are HUMAN cells in your body. To bacteria you are nothing more than a giant bag of moving food. Evolutionary Lottery My Arse… They won it a long time ago. You merely rent their planet.
BoneDog Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 It's easily on a par. Funny how a certain someone is speaking up against the Catholic church of things he has no evidence of, all off the back of recent events, and the actions of a few, but was quick to point out that we shouldn't condem a whole religion just because of a few Pedo's when is was a Muslim sex offending ring responsible for race releated sex attacks about 6 weeks ago. The psychos in each religion might be on a par, but they're in the minority. That religion states very clearly, over and over, that anyone who kills or harms an innocent person is in a whole heap of shit. Why do you call those paedos 'Muslim'? Did the papers say they are? It's a bit like saying Fred West was a Christian. Do you really think that anyone who believed in a God who will judge them would do something like that? Islam is not like the Catholic way where you can just go to a confession box and the man behind the curtain will forgive your sins. Those paedos are definitely not Muslims, just as the paedo priests are definitely not Christians. El Empty, you forgot Bertrand Russell I've heard the name before but not sure who he is or what he spoke about. I'll have a read up on him and try to include him next time! If evolution doesn't exist, how do you explain that guy in my avatar turning into a Gyarados(the guy pictured below)? Shit just got real. Obviously magic, not evolution!
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Everything you said there is not true. There are endless examples of religion and real science going hand in hand, from thousands of years ago right up to this day. What do you think the Pontifical Academy of Sciences is all about? I've been looking through some of their recent Nobel Prize winning members - Gerhard Ertl and Claude Cohen Tannoudji for example. And from what I read yesterday about those guys, they seem to take science far more seriously than the anti-religion crusaders I mentioned. http://en.wikipedia....winning_members Dawkins isn't what people would call a real scientist. Isn't he an animal behaviorist, an author and soapbox merchant? More like a businessman/preacher than a scientist. A scientist uses empirical evidence to support any theory. Dawkins can't do that with neo-Darwinian evolution, and his main source of income is from writing books and soap-boxing - that is not the definition of a scientist. He could show us evidence of variation and mutation, but no evidence for one creature improving itself and turning into a more advanced creature. He can't use the humongous fossil record to do that, and he can't use current observations to do that, because it doesn't happen. Neither variation, or mutations are proof of Darwinian evolution. They tried to use so-called 'junk dna', and things like the appendix as evidence of evolution a short while back! That's been proved a silly idea very quickly. Edit : Mutations are always sidewards steps, or backwards steps that lead to extiinction. If evolution of one species into another more advanced speices were true, then mutations would be forward steps. lol Don't quit the day-job, because you clearly know **** all about evolution - which is probably why you doubt it, no-one who knows even an iota of what they're talking about disputes evolution because the evidence for it is overwhelming. Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist, he is very much a real scientist. And as for evidence for evolution - read unweaving the rainbow, climbing mount improbable, the blind watchmaker and the selfish gene for a start if you think Dawkins doesn't provide evidence for Darwinian evolution. Now, then - Evolution is simply variation over time. If you deny evolution, you deny the existence of every animal in existence, you deny reality. You deny your own ancestry. - Evolution is more certain than gravity, which is why I shall tell you what I tell every creationist: jump off a cliff. As for your edit: Mutations very occasionally change the expressed genome - most affect uncoding or "junk" DNA. The ones that affect coding DNA can change the amino acid coded for by the triplet code, which changes the primary and secondary folding of the protein formed, and so changes the phenotype (the physical aspect that the genotype codes for). These mutations can be degenerative, but several are incredibly useful and can affect a species chances of survival, in doing so encourage their propagation and so survive for longer. These useful changes accumulate until the genome has become too different for interbreeding to be successful, meaning a new species has been formed. If you deny they can be beneficial, you deny the existence of MRSA. So anyway, if you dispute evolution, stop thinking you're part of adulthood, you are in the infancy of our species because you are ****ing retarded.
BoneDog Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I've brought these quotes over from another thread as nobody wants to read a big religion reply in the 'How was your day?' thread! Still on that line hey? The power hungry created religion, they didn't come along after. Yes I'm still on that line, because it's true. Jesus was power hungry eh? Not everyone who steps over a line is power hungry. He actually put himself up against the real power hungry, and got killed for it, just as happens to some people still today. There is tonnes of evidence that shows his religion was hijacked completely in the few hundred years after his death. Hijacked by the power hungry. Constantine was probably the first major 'phoney' Christian who totally ruined the path for anyone who wanted to properly follow Jesus' teachings. It was a great thing for Rome that Constantine did what he did when he pretended to be Christian, and is likely the reason that Rome, or rather Vatican City and The Holy See, still has massive power today. The same thing happened with Islam soon after Mohammad died. The original proponents of religion, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, whoever were not doing it for power, they were trying to educate people and bring them forward, using religion. Very true. Those people you mention were up against it when they spoke out and whatnot. They put their lives on the line. If only we had more like them nowadays.
Jaspa Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 Mutations very occasionally change the expressed genome - most affect uncoding or "junk" DNA. The ones that affect coding DNA can change the amino acid coded for by the triplet code, which changes the primary and secondary folding of the protein formed, and so changes the phenotype (the physical aspect that the genotype codes for). These mutations can be degenerative, but several are incredibly useful and can affect a species chances of survival, in doing so encourage their propagation and so survive for longer. These useful changes accumulate until the genome has become too different for interbreeding to be successful, meaning a new species has been formed. If you deny they can be beneficial, you deny the existence of MRSA. So anyway, if you dispute evolution, stop thinking you're part of adulthood, you are in the infancy of our species because you are ****ing retarded. See that same thing has been in my mind about smoking, it causes mutations but could some of them be positive? Just a thought, not that I smoke And Im sure El Empty might have some opinions on Fezzes if I remember correctly, something about Masonic Arabs who killed Europeans I fink
BoneDog Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 The Doctor, you're last post is poor. I will get back to it though. All that you are waffling about is no proof of every living thing coming from one piece of dead matter. Nor is it evidence for a species changing into another species. Better men than you are constantly failing at trying to provide these answers. A fool might take your post as proof of Darwinian evolution, but not me. Your post shows nothing. I notice you ignored the bit where I proved your point about 'religion and thinking' being totally wrong. The few scientists I listed prove you wrong, and are superior to your men.
BoneDog Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 And Im sure El Empty might have some opinions on Fezzes if I remember correctly, something about Masonic Arabs who killed Europeans I fink The only old-times killer people I know about is The Order of the Assassins and old Hasan. The bosses of their trade. Don't think they wore Fezzes though! Think they were more Persian so it's probably not them you're on about.
Rincewind Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I have just read a story in a book of Myths and Legends that I have. To summerise it is a Somalian tale. A group of gods used to do all Earths work, digging, maintaining fields etc. Then they got fed up and went on strike. The head god said OK I'll create something to do the work for you so he created Man. All went well until they started to make a noise, babies crying, market sellers, arguing etc so the chief god sent a plague to kill them off but they were warned off by the sympathetic god. A thousand years passed an Man started to make a noise again (skipped to the end) he sent a flood. The good god only had time to warn one Man who built a huge boat. (sounds familiar?) He was wise and all was quiet ever since and the gods were happy. The book contains many stories from all over the world.. Many are similar with a moral at the end. People doing good or bad and learning lessons. Most of the stories would be dismissed just as stories especially one that was about a porcupine and beaver talking. Yet in Christianity it is believed that a snake spoke a virgin gave birth, a man was his father died then came back as a zombie, bloke built a boat big enough to hold hundreds of animals that behaved and never ate each other. All religions stem from one myth or another. Stories invented by leaders to control their subjects or teach children right from wrong or to stop men and women copulating at every chance they could which resulted in the one man one woman partnerships we have now. Men went off to fight and they had a family to come home to.
BoneDog Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 If you deny evolution, you deny the existence of every animal in existence, you deny reality. You deny your own ancestry. - Evolution is more certain than gravity, which is why I shall tell you what I tell every creationist: jump off a cliff. So anyway, if you dispute evolution, stop thinking you're part of adulthood, you are in the infancy of our species because you are ****ing retarded. anyway - people who are too ****ing stupid to acknowledge basic facts like evolution piss me off. Jump off a cliff, save mankind from your stupidity. Or at the very least don't breed - intelligent thought needs progressing, not consigned to the past. 'The twisted and fanatical attitudes of evolutions defenders inclined Lewis to agree that evolution was, "the central and radical lie in the whole web of falsehood that now governs our lives".' A sensible video. The Doctor - 'basic facts like evolution' You mean to say 'basic facts like variation and mutation'.
The Doctor Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 The Doctor, you're last post is poor. I will get back to it though. All that you are waffling about is no proof of every living thing coming from one piece of dead matter. Nor is it evidence for a species changing into another species. Better men than you are constantly failing at trying to provide these answers. A fool might take your post as proof of Darwinian evolution, but not me. Your post shows nothing. lol lol lol lol lol One piece of dead matter? That has precisely **** all to do with evolution, that's abiogenesis. Life could have started when chuck norris divided by zero and it wouldn't affect the validity of evolution. And, no we aren't. I've got to go to a lecture in a couple of minutes, but afterwards I shall make one massive ****ing post showing plenty of new species formed, evidence of common ancestry and a whole lot more. 'The twisted and fanatical attitudes of evolutions defenders inclined Lewis to agree that evolution was, "the central and radical lie in the whole web of falsehood that now governs our lives".' A sensible video. Just stop - Lewis is wrong, evolution is fact (or as close to fact as you can get in science). So - I shall ask two things: Do Swedes exist (the vegetables, not the Scandinavians) & do DNA tests work? Because if you say evolution is false, then you are, by extension, saying that swedes don't exist and DNA tests are a load of crock. The Doctor - 'basic facts like evolution' You mean to say 'basic facts like variation and mutation'. That's what evolution is you ****ing retard. Evolution is the change in a species genetic makeup over time.
Manwell Pablo Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 The psychos in each religion might be on a par, but they're in the minority. That religion states very clearly, over and over, that anyone who kills or harms an innocent person is in a whole heap of shit. Why do you call those paedos 'Muslim'? Did the papers say they are? It's a bit like saying Fred West was a Christian. Do you really think that anyone who believed in a God who will judge them would do something like that? Islam is not like the Catholic way where you can just go to a confession box and the man behind the curtain will forgive your sins. Those paedos are definitely not Muslims, just as the paedo priests are definitely not Christians. I've heard the name before but not sure who he is or what he spoke about. I'll have a read up on him and try to include him next time! Obviously magic, not evolution! Yeah they did, and they also purposely did not target any other victims than those that did not follow their faith, and I have not seen them or the Muslim community deny that were practising Muslims, the community have come out and openly condemed them have they not? Were they nothing to do with Islam I don't see why this would be needed......I have no idea what Fred Wests religios views are although I hope you have something more than the fact he is White British to suggest that he is a christian, I'd find that statement quite offensive to be honest. I don't see why having to face god would bother them, there are followers who of your religion who believe flying planes into buildings gets them into heaven, and rulers of countrys who use your religion to control their population. So in comparison a bit of child rape is pretty tame I have read passages of the Quron pleast do not attempt to tell me it's all flowers and rainbows. Any way this is all by the by and I do not wish to make sound like I am standing up for Catholisem at all as it's lothesem. I just find you critisem of the knowledge stealing Catholics off the back of the actions of a few pedo priests quite laughable when the extremists following your religion are one of the biggest evils in the modern world. EDIT: And I don't think it's as easy as confessing your sins and them being forgiven. I think, should it be something significant, the priest would inform you how to attone for your sins and then you would be forgiven, crude example, if you were to murder someone god would not forgive your sins unless you were to hand yourself and admit your guilt.
Rincewind Posted 27 February 2013 Posted 27 February 2013 I'm starting to think El Empty is not serious and just being controversial. However there are some nutters in America that believe that the thousands of scientists over the past 150 years have been telling lies and making things up despite not one has come out and said so. Surely there would be more money to be made going to a science convention with evidence of how evolution has been made up? Anyone can buy a microscope and see cells and organisms through it. A little study will show up the DNA. Comparing different living things will show connections through DNA. No-one who has studied this area of science has as far as I know disputed it. There has been millions and millions of pounds spent on research laboratory's to study biology geology over the past 150 years or so. Thousands of books and papers have been written on the subject compared to one book on creation which is the sole evidence for creation by a big man in he sky. .
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