C-man Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 my belief is that the bombing will become a frequent day to day thing, and their will be one massive war between europe and the east, that will wipe both sets of countrys out. it will all be huge bombs 146071[/snapback]
Hullfox Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 They are trying to tell us that islam is good, but 4 muslims, british muslims murdered 56 british civilians. 145944[/snapback] Lush I take it that you are not circumcised. How do I know? Well you come across as a complete knob. Your arguments and comments thinly disguise a complete lack of knowledge of the situation. You infer that there is an inextricable link between the words British-Muslim-Killer when there is none. Unfortunately you cannot see that at all. The actual basis of the Muslim faith is that killing is wrong. What happens with extremists of all types is that they distort reality to suit their own agenda. British Muslims you say killed 56 British Civilians. You are wrong. Not all of the dead were British. However you say it as though a British Life is worth more. That again thinly disguises your own agenda. Based upon your argument that we should ban Islam because 4 of it's followers killed 56 people, should we not then ban GP's too as after all, Harold Shipman killed some 200 people, whats more Lush, they were all British. And that's where your point falls down. The killers aren't killers because they are Muslims, Doctors or on a mission from God. The common denominator in all of this is that they are wrong in the head.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Does this make sense: On cnannel 5 right now, the man guest read a newspaper story telling how a English muslim had just been caught in connection of the bombings, NOT ONE SINGLE MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE CLAPPED. No wonder i get stick for wanting to ban Islam. To all of you that feel im being `horrible` (and i DO understand) come up with a better solution?
Hullfox Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Looking forward to reading it. 146076[/snapback] As per Thracian, I think you make some good points Ric but felt some were inaccurate. My real target in this is our good friend Mr Lush.
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 LushI take it that you are not circumcised. How do I know? Well you come across as a complete knob. Your arguments and comments thinly disguise a complete lack of knowledge of the situation. You infer that there is an inextricable link between the words British-Muslim-Killer when there is none. Unfortunately you cannot see that at all. The actual basis of the Muslim faith is that killing is wrong. What happens with extremists of all types is that they distort reality to suit their own agenda. British Muslims you say killed 56 British Civilians. You are wrong. Not all of the dead were British. However you say it as though a British Life is worth more. That again thinly disguises your own agenda. Based upon your argument that we should ban Islam because 4 of it's followers killed 56 people, should we not then ban GP's too as after all, Harold Shipman killed some 200 people, whats more Lush, they were all British. And that's where your point falls down. The killers aren't killers because they are Muslims, Doctors or on a mission from God. The common denominator in all of this is that they are wrong in the head. 146083[/snapback] One of the funniest thing's i've read in a long while. It was worth the wait. I'd still like you to present me with a list of wars that have taken place recently (within the past 50 years) that have nothing to do with religion. I might have exaggarated a little by saying 'all' wars, but i'd say the majority are linked directly with religion.
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 As per Thracian, I think you make some good points Ric but felt some were inaccurate. My real target in this is our good friend Mr Lush. 146086[/snapback] Your not wrong, I have made some incorrect announcements. Which is why I feel this thread should be kept open so that there can be an understanding of this serious situation this country is in. We don't want Little Hitler Lush getting his freedom of speech without some other opinions.
Hullfox Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 One of the funniest thing's i've read in a long while. It was worth the wait. I'd still like you to present me with a list of wars that have taken place recently (within the past 50 years) that have nothing to do with religion. I might have exaggarated a little by saying 'all' wars, but i'd say the majority are linked directly with religion. 146087[/snapback] Am waiting for help on this from davieg. he'll have been around for all of them.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 And that's where your point falls down. The killers aren't killers because they are Muslims, Doctors or on a mission from God. The common denominator in all of this is that they are wrong in the head. 146083[/snapback] blair said (and trust me, i dont like him much) these idiots dont want westerners and muslims to co-exist ok. banning islam would mean they`d have nothing to bomb. Do you understand that? Given time, they`d pi$$off somewhere else, we could fortress our borders not to allow idiots like that back in (because we`ll have learnt a very harsh lesson) and then we could re-legalise islam. Everyone decent is a winner. P.S. We need doctors to survive, we dont need islam. This is my point, to 1.6 million of the british public, islam is worthwhile, but to the other 58 million its not. `Persecuting` 1.6 million for a small length of time in order that no one else dies, im sure is a good thing. Of course, unless you have a better idea??? IM ALL EARS.
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 blair said (and trust me, i dont like him much) these idiots dont want westerners and muslims to co-exist ok.banning islam would mean they`d have nothing to bomb. Do you understand that? Given time, they`d pi$$off somewhere else, we could fortress our borders not to allow idiots like that back in (because we`ll have learnt a very harsh lesson) and then we could re-legalise islam. Everyone decent is a winner. P.S. We need doctors to survive, we dont need islam. This is my point, to 1.6 million of the british public, islam is worthwhile, but to the other 58 million its not. `Persecuting` 1.6 million for a small length of time in order that no one else dies, im sure is a good thing. Of course, unless you have a better idea??? IM ALL EARS. 146091[/snapback] I guarantee you that if we persecuted 1.6 million Muslims, we'd have more bombs going off than you've had hot dinners. They wouldn't simply agree to this and neither would the other countries that make up this world. World War III and the end of Britain for good with a tasty nucleur bomb. Are you mad? Have you been eating batteries or something?
Guest Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Am waiting for help on this from davieg. he'll have been around for all of them. 146090[/snapback] I think Davieg has given up.
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 blair said (and trust me, i dont like him much) these idiots dont want westerners and muslims to co-exist ok.banning islam would mean they`d have nothing to bomb. Do you understand that? Given time, they`d pi$$off somewhere else, we could fortress our borders not to allow idiots like that back in (because we`ll have learnt a very harsh lesson) and then we could re-legalise islam. Everyone decent is a winner. P.S. We need doctors to survive, we dont need islam. This is my point, to 1.6 million of the british public, islam is worthwhile, but to the other 58 million its not. `Persecuting` 1.6 million for a small length of time in order that no one else dies, im sure is a good thing. Of course, unless you have a better idea??? IM ALL EARS. 146091[/snapback] Ah, there you have a fundamental problem. Democracy. It's irretrievably flawed. Because 58 million believe one thing and £2million or so another does not mean that no-one should listen to the two million or that the 58 million are right. I'll explain it this way. If you have council in Bradford and Muslims (although perhaps in the minority when all are counted) put great effort into winning a seat on that council you may well have a situation where the council is 80 per cent Muslim governed (despite there being onl 15 per cent Muslims within the population). Yet, all decisions of the council would likely be made with sympathy towards the Muslim perspective. If that happens across the country you have a 15 per cent Muslim population and a 100 per cent Muslim Government. We have to define what this country stands for and ensure our laws protect those values from erosion.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 I guarantee you that if we persecuted 1.6 million Muslims, we'd have more bombs going off than you've had hot dinners. They wouldn't simply agree to this and neither would the other countries that make up this world. World War III and the end of Britain for good with a tasty nucleur bomb. 146099[/snapback] If they dont agree, it `could` be argued that their not prepared to help root out the evil? It wouldnt be for very long, hell i`d give up LCFC for life if it meant those 56 people were alive today. We have to do something now, because it looks as though its guna get worse before it gets better. If the muslim community are peace loving, surely they`d understand? Whats banning islam in britain, gota do with other countries?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Ah, there you have a fundamental problem. Democracy. It's irretrievably flawed.Because 58 million believe one thing and £2million or so another does not mean that no-one should listen to the two million or that the 58 million are right. I'll explain it this way. If you have council in Bradford and Muslims (although perhaps in the minority when all are counted) put great effort into winning a seat on that council you may well have a situation where the council is 80 per cent Muslim governed (despite there being onl 15 per cent Muslims within the population). Yet, all decisions of the council would likely be made with sympathy towards the Muslim perspective. If that happens across the country you have a 15 per cent Muslim population and a 100 per cent Muslim Government. We have to define what this country stands for and ensure our laws protect those values from erosion. 146101[/snapback] Absolutely, whats more important, the safety of 60 million people, or a faith.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 If they dont agree, it `could` be argued that their not prepared to help root out the evil? It wouldnt be for very long, hell i`d give up LCFC for life if it meant those 56 people were alive today.We have to do something now, because it looks as though its guna get worse before it gets better. If the muslim community are peace loving, surely they`d understand? Whats banning islam in britain, gota do with other countries? 146102[/snapback] well im sure that the other Muslims will be well chuffed that we are chucking their religion out of the country for a while
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 If they dont agree, it `could` be argued that their not prepared to help root out the evil? It wouldnt be for very long, hell i`d give up LCFC for life if it meant those 56 people were alive today.We have to do something now, because it looks as though its guna get worse before it gets better. If the muslim community are peace loving, surely they`d understand? Whats banning islam in britain, gota do with other countries? 146102[/snapback] If we banned Islam in this country there would be an uproar around the world, I guarantee it. Do we really want more countries taking a dislike to us than we already have? Nobody would stand shoulder to shoulder with us like we do with the USA. These suicide bombers have come from inside our own country but banning Islam would rile muslims through-out the world and it would open up a new can of worms. We'd be getting bombed, left, right and centre. Then what would we do? We'd have to start taking action ourselves and retaliate to save this country. In this day and age if things get nasty between different countires, it could end up nucleur. If that happens i'm going on a 7 day bender (drinking binge) and atleast living my last few moments pissed as a ****.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Lush, do you suppose banning Catholicism in Ireland would have stopped the IRA by any chance?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 well im sure that the other Muslims will be well chuffed that we are chucking their religion out of the country for a while 146108[/snapback] out of the country? dont they care
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 out of the country?dont they care 146122[/snapback] Ric has basically summed my views up - if we ban Islam then Muslims around the world will start to retaliate - ones that we have got agreements and a bit of togetherness in the fight against the terrorists
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Absolutely, whats more important, the safety of 60 million people, or a faith. 146104[/snapback] Everything is important. If 50 doctors believe one way is best to treat a disease and one doctor suggests another possibility then I'd listen to the one just as keenly as the 50. The one might be right.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 If we banned Islam in this country there would be an uproar around the world, I guarantee it.We'd be getting bombed, left, right and centre. Then what would we do? We'd have to start taking action ourselves and retaliate to save this country. In this day and age if things get nasty between different countires, it could end up nucleur. If that happens i'm going on a 7 day bender (drinking binge) and atleast living my last few moments pissed as a ****. 146120[/snapback] WHY would there be an uproar around the world? MOST of the muslim world dont like our western muslim co-existence. who would bomb us? i think youve been playing soilders again, havnt you
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 If we banned Islam in this country there would be an uproar around the world, I guarantee it. Do we really want more countries taking a dislike to us than we already have? Nobody would stand shoulder to shoulder with us like we do with the USA. These suicide bombers have come from inside our own country but banning Islam would rile muslims through-out the world and it would open up a new can of worms.We'd be getting bombed, left, right and centre. Then what would we do? We'd have to start taking action ourselves and retaliate to save this country. In this day and age if things get nasty between different countires, it could end up nucleur. If that happens i'm going on a 7 day bender (drinking binge) and atleast living my last few moments pissed as a ****. 146120[/snapback] Can I join you!.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Lush, do you suppose banning Catholicism in Ireland would have stopped the IRA by any chance? 146121[/snapback] No, because chatholicism wasnt the `problem`. Their war was political, not religious. How many times do i need spell it out.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 WHY would there be an uproar around the world? MOST of the muslim world dont like our western muslim co-existence. who would bomb us? i think youve been playing soilders again, havnt you 146128[/snapback] you are so #### narrow minded its unbelievable! Of course #### Muslims wouldnt like their religion being banned, its like pointing the finger at all of them. And Most of the Muslim world hate the Muslim Extremists, not the Western co-existence.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Ric has basically summed my views up - if we ban Islam then Muslims around the world will start to retaliate - ones that we have got agreements and a bit of togetherness in the fight against the terrorists 146126[/snapback] If they KNEW why we were doing it, and they had a brain, im sure the peace loving minds of theirs would understand, as like you say, their also in this fight on terror.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Everything is important. If 50 doctors believe one way is best to treat a disease and one doctor suggests another possibility then I'd listen to the one just as keenly as the 50. The one might be right. 146127[/snapback] Absolutely. When enquiring about an illness for instance, we generally get a 2nd opinion. Weve had 50 political voices, and not one of them have solved this problem, YET they all live in padded mansions safely tucked up away from evil, whilst `we` use public transport and share communities of which some were not sure who is there. Its about time `people in power` looked after us, and not the other way round.
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