lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Again I say how do you ban Islam? Would you place armed guards at the entrances to mosques? Would anyone trying to set up a private mosque be imprisoned or put up against a wall and shot? And what about when it's reintroduced. Would it be under the condition that they have to incorporate Jesus into their scriptures or PREACH about the Holy Mother Mary? Would banning Islam remove the American warships in the Gulf or remove the oil companies from the countries in the surrounding area? Go away, do a bit of research and then come back with the answers. 146210[/snapback] If you mean ban as in `controlling the mind`, then that isnt what im onabout. Mosques would be closed down. Anyone seen entering would be prosectuted. Building a mosque would be considered a criminal offence. `shot`? `jesus`? jesus wept be as it is now mate, with the exception of knowing how to eradicate evil that perpretrates islam within. Banning islam to eradicate evil in britain would have no connection with anything outside britain. Answered. You got a better solution?
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 not prepared to look stupid more like.If you havnt got a better solution, and you cant find holes in mine, YOUR IN THE WAY. What does `but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else`, mean? 146188[/snapback] He's saying that while you seem passionate enough to care, what you suggest in the way of solutions are either not practical, won't get enough support or they won't work (and will probably make the situation much worse). He's also saying that he doesn't know what can truly be done and that having no idea is far better than having the wrong idea. As usual, he seems about right.
davieG Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 He's saying that while you seem passionate enough to care, what you suggest in the way of solutions are either not practical, won't get enough support or they won't work (and will probably make the situation much worse).He's also saying that he doesn't know what can truly be done and that having no idea is far better than having the wrong idea. As usual, he seems about right. 146217[/snapback] I wish I could have put it like that, so much more eloquent and descriptive yet succinct. If I ever need a ghost writer the jobs yours.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 He's saying that while you seem passionate enough to care, what you suggest in the way of solutions are either not practical, won't get enough support or they won't work (and will probably make the situation much worse).He's also saying that he doesn't know what can truly be done and that having no idea is far better than having the wrong idea. As usual, he seems about right. 146217[/snapback] Wheres his knowledge that it wont work? Tell him to quiz me, im all ears here. So tell him to come up with a better solution?
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 I wish I could have put it like that, so much more eloquent and descriptive yet succinct.If I ever need a ghost writer the jobs yours. 146221[/snapback] What about Bill Anderson?
Fox Shagger Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Muslims can pray within their own homes you know, would you want surveillance on Muslims at all times then?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Muslims can pray within their own homes you know, would you want surveillance on Muslims at all times then? 146229[/snapback] it would be illegal to practice islam, wherever you are in britain. Surveillance on everyone who might commit a crime, thats how you reduce crime.
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 it would be illegal to practice islam, wherever you are in britain. Surveillance on everyone who might commit a crime, thats how you reduce crime. 146234[/snapback] Who said 1984 by George Orwell was nonsense? Come to think of it, haven't we already got surveillance on every corner?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Come to think of it, haven't we already got surveillance on every corner? 146236[/snapback] Of course, yet evil can still operate. How do we stop it?
Rincewind Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 It would have something to do with outside Britain because many british Muslims have family living in other countries These 'outsiders' would see how their relatives are being persecuted and retaliate. I am no lover of religion but the problem is not because of a religious belief. That is the story Mr Blair and Mr Bush and other leaders would like us to believe. It's mostly to do with who has control of the Gulf states. In a nutshell money. The bombings in this country are happening because what has gone and what is going on in Iraq . The leaders of the terrorist have warned that Britain could be a target some time ago. And this is because of events that happened OUTSIDE of Britain. So banning Islam in this country would not change events in other countries and encourage the terrorist to cease their actions and recruiting from Britain. You don't need religion to die for a cause. Blubaugh and Pennington Hierachy of Values Used to describe how valus vary for individuals. There are three levels. Primary. Secondary. Tertiary. PRIMARY The most important values for which people are willing to die. Examples are: Childen: Freedom:Religious beliefs:Country. Daily news reports portray people willing to die for their beliefs Fanatics: Terrorist:Martys However you must take into account the fact that whether a person is a terroris or hero depends on one's personal values. SECONDAY: Which is important values people are willing to fight for. eg. Demonstrations:Protests:Strikes:defending your property:Strongly held views (abortion etc) Still important but on a personal level TERTIARY Tolerance:Good Manners: Tidiness:Hygiene On some occasions the third can escalate to the second and even the first. For eg when a couple are first married one is tidier than the other and an argument ends with a kitchen knife buried in a chest. Newlyweds beware. Just recently had to learn the above in connection with my job. Second
Rincewind Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 OK. I'm a Muslim. I'm told I can't practise Islam anymore. Oh dear what shall I do? I know I will found a brand new religion. It will be called Flibflob. Worshippers will pray in a dome shaped church called a Thronk. All the old crowd from the local defunked Mosque are welcome.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 It would have something to do with outside Britain because many british Muslims have family living in other countries These 'outsiders' would see how their relatives are being persecuted and retaliate. I am no lover of religion but the problem is not because of a religious belief. That is the story Mr Blair and Mr Bush and other leaders would like us to believe. It's mostly to do with who has control of the Gulf states. In a nutshell money. The bombings in this country are happening because what has gone and what is going on in Iraq . The leaders of the terrorist have warned that Britain could be a target some time ago. And this is because of events that happened OUTSIDE of Britain. So banning Islam in this country would not change events in other countries and encourage the terrorist to cease their actions and recruiting from Britain. 146246[/snapback] Why would family members in a different country retaliate, if its for the good of all man kind? blair said that these bombers attacked us because, yes iraq, but also because they hate our way of life, our western muslim co-existence. Is he wrong? if so, why? Have you got a better solution?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 OK. I'm a Muslim. I'm told I can't practise Islam anymore. Oh dear what shall I do? I know I will found a brand new religion. It will be called Flibflob. Worshippers will pray in a dome shaped church called a Thronk. All the old crowd from the local defunked Mosque are welcome. 146249[/snapback] Why would BELIEVERS of islam, believe in something thats not islam?
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Why would BELIEVERS of islam, believe in something thats not islam? 146258[/snapback] Oh dear. You can lead a horse to water...
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 it would be illegal to practice islam, wherever you are in britain. Surveillance on everyone who might commit a crime, thats how you reduce crime. 146234[/snapback] but they dont know whos going to commit a #### crime otherwise they would stop them blowing half of london up! putting surveillance on only muslims and every single one at that, just to be sure is nothing short of racist and stupid and you are putting yourself forward as a hitlersque type character
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Its about time the islamic good people sorted their community out. When football hooliganism was rife, who sorted the problem out, football clubs and authority. Islam in britain has a problem, its not the nice muslims fault, its the evil that attaches themselves to it. The muslim community needs to get a grip of themselves. its all very well saying they agree, but UNTIL they actually, physically DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, we wont get anywhere. islamic leaders and mosques and councils of britain and muslim associations etc etc etc, need a clear out of who is abusing their faith. They need to let the law of britain into their mosques and organisations to checkout who is using them. If they dont, things will get worse before they get better, and eventually the law of britain will have NO CHOICE but to close their mosques down. If that happens, you can kiss goodbye to islam EVER being believed in britain again. Atleast if we ban it now (with the good islamic community on side) we can give them it back, free of evil.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Oh dear. You can lead a horse to water... 146259[/snapback]
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Its about time the islamic good people sorted their community out.When football hooliganism was rife, who sorted the problem out, football clubs and authority. Islam in britain has a problem, its not the nice muslims fault, its the evil that attaches themselves to it. The muslim community needs to get a grip of themselves. its all very well saying they agree, but UNTIL they actually, physically DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, we wont get anywhere. islamic leaders and mosques and councils of britain and muslim associations etc etc etc, need a clear out of who is abusing their faith. They need to let the law of britain into their mosques and organisations to checkout If that happens, you can kiss goodbye to islam EVER being believed in britain again. Atleast if we ban it now (with the good islamic community on side) we can give them it back, free of evil. 146264[/snapback] so when these people who want to bring terror to the world go over to afghanistan whilst the ban is on, yet hold British passports and come back even more pissed off than they were before how are you going to stop them blowing my ass up when im on a tube to work?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 but they dont know whos going to commit a #### crime otherwise they would stop them blowing half of london up! putting surveillance on only muslims and every single one at that, just to be sure is nothing short of racist and stupid and you are putting yourself forward as a hitlersque type character 146262[/snapback] are you completely stupid? they dont know now, because the idiots HIDE behind islam. FFS!! If islam was banned, they wouldnt be able to HIDE!!! I didnt say surveillance on just muslims, EVERYONE you thick tw@. RUN ON!!
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 so when these people who want to bring terror to the world go over to afghanistan whilst the ban is on, yet hold British passports and come back even more pissed off than they were before how are you going to stop them blowing my ass up when im on a tube to work? 146267[/snapback] We dont let anyone in without a server test as to what their business is in britain. and b4 your pathetic brain says `people who arnt white`, EVERYONE, even whites who used to live here.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 We dont let anyone in without a server test as to what their business is in britain.and b4 your pathetic brain says `people who arnt white`, EVERYONE, even whites who used to live here. 146270[/snapback] i have a pathetic brain? im not a racist? i am open to views? so shut your mouth if you cant back up your argument you **** if they hold a British Passport they are legally allowed into this country by the way
C-man Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Its about time the islamic good people sorted their community out.When football hooliganism was rife, who sorted the problem out, football clubs and authority. Islam in britain has a problem, its not the nice muslims fault, its the evil that attaches themselves to it. The muslim community needs to get a grip of themselves. its all very well saying they agree, but UNTIL they actually, physically DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, we wont get anywhere. islamic leaders and mosques and councils of britain and muslim associations etc etc etc, need a clear out of who is abusing their faith. They need to let the law of britain into their mosques and organisations to checkout who is using them. If they dont, things will get worse before they get better, and eventually the law of britain will have NO CHOICE but to close their mosques down. If that happens, you can kiss goodbye to islam EVER being believed in britain again. Atleast if we ban it now (with the good islamic community on side) we can give them it back, free of evil. 146264[/snapback] Firstly, these extremists wouldn't have much to do with the muslims in our society, and therefore wouldnt be approached. Secondly, they cant be approached by other citizens in the fear that they will get blown up. Thirdly, they wouldn't know a terroist from any other person until its happened. If you take away a religion, the members of tht religion will be outraged, and will then have a motive to commit such felonies. This is the most stupid idea ever.
Rincewind Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Why would family members in a different country retaliate, if its for the good of all man kind? Didn't you read my post? Maybe their belief in whats good for mankind is different to yours. A French Muslim is no different to a British Muslim. They follow the same God. The French version is no different. So if you take away the British Islamic God its part of the same God in France. The French Muslims will say 'If they do it there they might do it here, so lets support our fellow Muslims in Britain in anyway we have to.' I won't explain my post about setting up a new religion. I think most see through it.
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Its about time the islamic good people sorted their community out.When football hooliganism was rife, who sorted the problem out, football clubs and authority. Islam in britain has a problem, its not the nice muslims fault, its the evil that attaches themselves to it. The muslim community needs to get a grip of themselves. its all very well saying they agree, but UNTIL they actually, physically DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, we wont get anywhere. islamic leaders and mosques and councils of britain and muslim associations etc etc etc, need a clear out of who is abusing their faith. They need to let the law of britain into their mosques and organisations to checkout who is using them. If they dont, things will get worse before they get better, and eventually the law of britain will have NO CHOICE but to close their mosques down. If that happens, you can kiss goodbye to islam EVER being believed in britain again. Atleast if we ban it now (with the good islamic community on side) we can give them it back, free of evil. 146264[/snapback] At last it's taken 9 pages for you to say something constructive. Although there are still some dubious stuff in there, I agree to a certain extent. Muslims needs to face up to this problem aswell.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 i have a pathetic brain? im not a racist? i am open to views? so shut your mouth if you cant back up your argument you ****if they hold a British Passport they are legally allowed into this country by the way 146272[/snapback] Your open to views, but all you do is critisize mine mate. You make a good point about the passports. All i can say to that is, we`d have to legally stop anyone we think hasnt the best interests of britain, whether passport in hand or not. whatever it takes to stop murder, life is precious.
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