Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 WHY would there be an uproar around the world? MOST of the muslim world dont like our western muslim co-existence. who would bomb us? i think youve been playing soilders again, havnt you 146128[/snapback] You assume that muslim people would all think this is a great idea. Now, don't get me wrong what's happened in London recently has been awful and i'm sure muslim's in this country and round the world are as upset as we are, but if given the proposal you're talking about I guarantee that the majority of them would fight, nail and tooth against it. Why wouldn't they? This is their personal belief, taking that away would hardly get them co-operating. I think damage limitation is what this country will look for.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 you are so #### narrow minded its unbelievable! Of course #### Muslims wouldnt like their religion being banned, its like pointing the finger at all of them. And Most of the Muslim world hate the Muslim Extremists, not the Western co-existence. 146132[/snapback] WHY would there be an uproar around the world? why would a french or zambian muslim be bothered if islam was banned here? who would bomb us?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 You assume that muslim people would all think this is a great idea. Now, don't get me wrong what's happened in London recently has been awful and i'm sure muslim's in this country and round the world are as upset as we are, but if given the proposal you're talking about I guarantee that the majority of them would fight, nail and tooth against it. Why wouldn't they? This is their personal belief, taking that away would hardly get them co-operating.I think damage limitation is what this country will look for. 146137[/snapback] We`d ONLY need be concerned about muslim in britain, 1.6 million of them. We`d tell them they`ll get it back, when we get rid of the evil that THEY also wana get rid of. UNLESS YOU KNOW A BETTER SOLUTION?
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 WHY would there be an uproar around the world? why would a french or zambian muslim be bothered if islam was banned here?who would bomb us? 146139[/snapback] They wouldn't take it too kindly. They'd bring more hatred to this country, that's not what we need.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 WHY would there be an uproar around the world? why would a french or zambian muslim be bothered if islam was banned here?who would bomb us? 146139[/snapback] ok lets have another look at this: Would banning Catholicism have stopped the IRA, and would all Catholics co-operate with this? No it wouldnt stop it and no they wouldnt co-operate. Its pointing the finger at the whole race when it is only the extremists that are in the wrong. And French/Zambian Muslims would be bothered because it is still their religion, no matter what nationality you are so banning it means its done something wrong - therefore you are blaming the Muslim religion for everything that happened on 7/7.
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 We`d ONLY need be concerned about muslim in britain, 1.6 million of them.We`d tell them they`ll get it back, when we get rid of the evil that THEY also wana get rid of. UNLESS YOU KNOW A BETTER SOLUTION? 146141[/snapback] Islam's not a ****in tin of beans. 'Don't worry i'll look after your beans and you can have them back when the baddies have gone' How could you convince any practising muslim that they should be happy to give up being muslim for a certain period of time. Also, how do you know that we'd get rid of all the 'evil'? They wouldn't just give up, I bet there's a number of muslims who don't agree with these extremists but if we followed your solution could quite easily be joining alongside them as a fight to keep their faith. We'd be treading on thin ice, I wouldn't fancy that. I haven't got a solution, I think we're really in the shit and although I like the fact that you're desperate for this country to do something about it I think your views are wild at times.
Thracian Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Absolutely. When enquiring about an illness for instance, we generally get a 2nd opinion.Weve had 50 political voices, and not one of them have solved this problem, YET they all live in padded mansions safely tucked up away from evil, whilst `we` use public transport and share communities of which some were not sure who is there. Its about time `people in power` looked after us, and not the other way round. 146136[/snapback] Hey. I've never carried a flag for Tony Blair but we are in this together and he's a bloody brave man to be standing in front of the nation (in the target zone that is London) doing his best on our behalf. He and his colleagues have to use the transport networks and are themselves a target. His WAY of dealing with terror may be flawed but it is NOT an easy problem to deal with and I, for one, respect anyone who at least attempts to stand up to these people. It's the same with the police and paramedics etc. I've not always agreed with things the police do, far from it, but they are doing a sterling job on our behalf over this and, believe me, it's bloody dangerous.
Ric Flair Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Hey. I've never carried a flag for Tony Blair but we are in this together and he's a bloody brave man to be standing in front of the nation (in the target zone that is London) doing his best on our behalf.He and his colleagues have to use the transport networks and are themselves a target. His WAY of dealing with terror may be flawed but it is NOT an easy problem to deal with and I, for one, respect anyone who at least attempts to stand up to these people. It's the same with the police and paramedics etc. I've not always agreed with things the police do, far from it, but they are doing a sterling job on our behalf over this and, believe me, it's bloody dangerous. 146147[/snapback] Spot on, again.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Hey. I've never carried a flag for Tony Blair but we are in this together and he's a bloody brave man to be standing in front of the nation (in the target zone that is London) doing his best on our behalf.He and his colleagues have to use the transport networks and are themselves a target. His WAY of dealing with terror may be flawed but it is NOT an easy problem to deal with and I, for one, respect anyone who at least attempts to stand up to these people. It's the same with the police and paramedics etc. I've not always agreed with things the police do, far from it, but they are doing a sterling job on our behalf over this and, believe me, it's bloody dangerous. 146147[/snapback] :thumbsup: too right, it would be easy enough for Blair to jump ship and spend the next months in another country but he isnt he is fighting terrorism the right way - by getting EVERYONE that opposes it to be extra vigilant and try and catch these bastards blowing our country up - and by banning some of these peoples religion we are putting blame on them and therefore we are getting some more opposition....then its a war of religion again
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 They wouldn't take it too kindly. They'd bring more hatred to this country, that's not what we need. 146142[/snapback] Why would they bring hatred here? who would bomb us?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 ok lets have another look at this:Would banning Catholicism have stopped the IRA, and would all Catholics co-operate with this? No it wouldnt stop it and no they wouldnt co-operate. Its pointing the finger at the whole race when it is only the extremists that are in the wrong. And French/Zambian Muslims would be bothered because it is still their religion, no matter what nationality you are so banning it means its done something wrong - therefore you are blaming the Muslim religion for everything that happened on 7/7. 146145[/snapback] and heres me thinking christians loved peace is their faith that much better than all peoples lives, what a crock of...the same with islam or football. Again, what have french and zambian citizens with non british law, gota do with british law? Its as if you think islam or christianity or any religion is law. that bollux and you know it.
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 and heres me thinking christians loved peace is their faith that much better than all peoples lives, what a crock of...the same with islam or football. Again, what have french and zambian citizens with non british law, gota do with british law? Its as if you think islam or christianity or any religion is law. that bollux and you know it. 146153[/snapback] your argument is getting weaker - no-one has said religion is law they havent got anything to do with British law directly but its a chain reaction
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 How could you convince any practising muslim that they should be happy to give up being muslim for a certain period of time. Also, how do you know that we'd get rid of all the 'evil'? I bet there's a number of muslims who don't agree with these extremists but if we followed your solution could quite easily be joining alongside them as a fight to keep their faith. We'd be treading on thin ice, I wouldn't fancy that. I haven't got a solution, I think we're really in the shit and although I like the fact that you're desperate for this country to do something about it I think your views are wild at times. 146146[/snapback] EASY, i`d explain that we`d stop the threat of death, to 60 million people. i think peace loving muslims would adhere to that. The evil hide behind islam. if we eradictae it, where do they hide? Islam is peaceful, current law abidding muslims would realise that its for the benefit of them and the rest of society. Ok, i hear ya, yes they seem wild, i admit, but the situation is wild. I just dont see us `killing` the evil off, when they can hide behind islam. last night on question time, a muslim `leader` said we must do something to eradicate the evil, but then nodded his head no, when asked he should do more. I got the impression that the evil can live under the wing of islam whilst muslim `leaders` think like he does.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Hey. I've never carried a flag for Tony Blair but we are in this together and he's a bloody brave man to be standing in front of the nation (in the target zone that is London) doing his best on our behalf.He and his colleagues have to use the transport networks and are themselves a target. His WAY of dealing with terror may be flawed but it is NOT an easy problem to deal with and I, for one, respect anyone who at least attempts to stand up to these people. It's the same with the police and paramedics etc. I've not always agreed with things the police do, far from it, but they are doing a sterling job on our behalf over this and, believe me, it's bloody dangerous. 146147[/snapback] `Brave`? Thracian, blair is the safest man in britain, probably one a very few on earth, behind bush. when did blair last use public transport??? `stand up`, your having a larf. part of this problem has been caused by his war. yes its dangerous, i agree, and what is blair doing, sitting by the phone waiting to GIVE ORDERS.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 by banning some of these peoples religion we are putting blame on them and therefore we are getting some more opposition....then its a war of religion again 146149[/snapback] Ok, got a better solution?
Leicester_Mad Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Ok, got a better solution? 146163[/snapback] my better solution is to not follow yours because with yours WWIII is just around the corner.
davieG Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Am waiting for help on this from davieg. he'll have been around for all of them. 146090[/snapback] Hey I'm not that old I've only been around one more year than Thracian but as Lisa said I've given up. I do read it all and glad I didn't miss your 'knob' comment which will certainly put you up there with the funnist poster of the year candidates. Poor Lush I'd like to think his heart is in the right place but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else. I think there has been some really good thoughts posted on this, I'm afraid that age of it self doesn't provide one with answers and I profess I don't have any. I do think Stevens idea of a written constitution and the disestablishment of religion from the state would be positive; I'm also in favour of us trying not to be the world's police force on our own or along side the USA all suggested in Thracian's thread, at least I think that was what Thracian was alluding to. Here I believe a lot of this terrorism is the direct result of the West's/USSR's interference/support of suspect dictatorships during the 'cold war', why did we think Saddam had WMD, because we (the West) sold him most of the hardware. But I don't have any answers, neither has Lush yet so I'll just continue to enjoy the debate from afar if that's ok.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 my better solution is to not follow yours because with yours WWIII is just around the corner. 146171[/snapback] ww3 and why would it create that?
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Poor Lush I'd like to think his heart is in the right place but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else. But I don't have any answers, neither has Lush yet so I'll just continue to enjoy the debate from afar if that's ok. 146176[/snapback] Hold on a min, you dont have a solution, but you critisize my idea, and without explanation. Anychance you could stop being ignorant towards me, and say something useful?
davieG Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 Hold on a min, you dont have a solution, but you critisize my idea, and without explanation.Anychance you could stop being ignorant towards me, and say something useful? 146181[/snapback] Does one have to have a solution before one can see that other ideas don't work, I think not. Lot's of people have already given you numerous valid reasons why your idea(s) wont work but you don't listen to them, I'm not prepared to waste my time. As for being ignorant towards you how? I believe your heart is in the right place: in my opinion, and that's all I've stated you're just not a good ideas man, neither am I so how is that being ignorant towards you.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 Does one have to have a solution before one can see that other ideas don't work, I think not.Lot's of people have already given you numerous valid reasons why your idea(s) wont work but you don't listen to them, I'm not prepared to waste my time. As for being ignorant towards you how? I believe your heart is in the right place: in my opinion, and that's all I've stated you're just not a good ideas man, neither am I so how is that being ignorant towards you. 146183[/snapback] not prepared to look stupid more like. If you havnt got a better solution, and you cant find holes in mine, YOUR IN THE WAY. What does `but I'm afraid his brain is somewhere else`, mean?
Rincewind Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 How do you ban Islam? It is not something you can remove from peoples minds overnight. If anything, telling Muslims that they cannot follow their belief would cause more trouble. Anyway is not the Western world doing this now with trying to convert the Islamic countries to Western ways? Banning Islam would not change the extremists view that America and other Western countries are on their lands illegally. I do not agree with terrorism, but if some people are willing to blow themselves up for what they believe in then it makes me look deeper into what is going on. Years of saying to the Western leaders 'Please leave our lands it is sacred to us.' has not done any good. so to them extremism is the only course of action. The trouble is all concerned are so stubborn. There is no compromise from eiter side and noe will empasize with the other. Until that happens these terrorist will always be with us.
Babylon Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 By banning Islam in britainA, they`d be no mosques for hardliners to preech hate. B, they`d be no hardliners bombing us because we have a western-muslim co-existence. Worth a go? If not, whats your solution? P.S. by pulling out of iraq and other Islamic countries, we would still have a western-muslim co-existence. It wouldnt completely solve the problem. 145819[/snapback] Maybe we could gas everyone who didn't meet our standards while we are at it. Worked for Hitler.
lush Posted 29 July 2005 Author Posted 29 July 2005 How do you ban Islam? It is not something you can remove from peoples minds overnight. If anything, telling Muslims that they cannot follow their belief would cause more trouble. Years of saying to the Western leaders 'Please leave our lands it is sacred to us.' has not done any good. so to them extremism is the only course of action. 146194[/snapback] Just make it illegal to practice, meaning it would stop evil preeching `our` kids hate. Sure, they can keep the belief in their minds, and once we get rid of the evil which hide behind islam, we make islam legal again. i agree, we need to stop `invading` islamic countries, but that alone will not stop these people. blair said they dont like our western muslim co-existence, whilst we have that, were a target. Have you got a better solution?
Rincewind Posted 29 July 2005 Posted 29 July 2005 I posted a reply without looking at all the others. Lush answer these questions. Again I say how do you ban Islam? Would you place armed guards at the entrances to mosques? Would anyone trying to set up a private mosque be imprisoned or put up against a wall and shot? And what about when it's reintroduced. Would it be under the condition that they have to incorporate Jesus into their scriptures or PREACH about the Holy Mother Mary? Would banning Islam remove the American warships in the Gulf or remove the oil companies from the countries in the surrounding area? Go away, do a bit of research and then come back with the answers.
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