Alf Bentley Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 I found this article quite amusing. Anyone on here who used to drink in the Braziers' Arms, Russell Square? Sounds like a good joint! http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Lost-pub-drinking-till-fighting-till/story-19790092-detail/story.html#axzz2elEIyNh8 Funny how older people always go on about the "disgraceful conduct of the younger generation". Back in the early 80s, aged 19, I remember getting talking to these "old blokes" in a Norwich pub - they were probably slightly older than I am now. They started getting nostalgic talking about their youth (1940s-50s, I imagine) and how they'd all get pissed up and have a big punch-up with rival youths. Yet each generation ends up tutting about the misconduct of the degenerate "yoof of today"... Not that I was ever a pub brawler. Probably too cautious, educated and middle-class to have the aggressive inclination, though I've always been on for a good verbal argument and have wound people up enough to provoke them to physical aggression in the past....
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 The door flew open, as there were no locks in those days, and the two men continued to grapple in the front room ...what? There were no locks in the 1940's? Aircraft, microwave ovens, television, pioneering space flight tests, nuclear weapons - these all existed in the 1940's, so I'm pretty f**king sure door-locks had made an appearance by then.
Rincewind Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Computers were the size of living rooms so I can't see an opportunist burglar nicking one. TV's were a 5" screen in a 60"X60" wooden display unit.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 ...what? There were no locks in the 1940's? Aircraft, microwave ovens, television, pioneering space flight tests, nuclear weapons - these all existed in the 1940's, so I'm pretty f**king sure door-locks had made an appearance by then. Correct. Even the Romans had them, some 2,000 years ago.
Alf Bentley Posted 13 September 2013 Author Posted 13 September 2013 ...what? There were no locks in the 1940's? By "there were no locks in those days", I assume that the writer means that "people around there didn't have/use locks", rather than that locks hadn't been invented! Expressed a little loosely, admittedly, but let's apply some common sense, eh?! ....and I've no idea whether it's accurate as I wasn't there! The post was just intended as a bit of mildly interesting, light-hearted fun, anyway....what's with all the grouchy pedantry from you and Toothless Moggy (Dangerous Tiger)?!?
purpleronnie Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 My dad told me stories about drinking in coalville in the 50's and 60's where gang fights took place, apparantly markfield had a particulary nasty gang. I would say its safer thesedays than ever before. but others may beg to differ.
Zingari Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 My dad told me stories about drinking in coalville in the 50's and 60's where gang fights took place, apparantly markfield had a particulary nasty gang. I would say its safer thesedays than ever before. but others may beg to differ. A lot of those gang fights were just lots of willy waggling and yah boo stuff . I'm not saying there weren't any nasty incidents , but they were actually quite rare.
purpleronnie Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 A lot of those gang fights were just lots of willy waggling and yah boo stuff . I'm not saying there weren't any nasty incidents , but they were actually quite rare. That might be true because he did say the markfield lads were quite hard. oo err.
Zingari Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 That might be true because he did say the markfield lads were quite hard. oo err. The lads from Whitwick and Shepshed seemed to cause the most trouble from what I remember of my few nights in the misnamed "Grand". I only went a few times though ( I remember seeing Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon there , he was bloody brilliant live) It was mostly pushing and shoving and stuff , but I think there is a tendency to sort of over glamourise it in the memory . Most of us were just silly tossers misbehaving and trying to act tough
purpleronnie Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 The lads from Whitwick and Shepshed seemed to cause the most trouble from what I remember of my few nights in the misnamed "Grand". I only went a few times though ( I remember seeing Johnny Johnson and the Bandwagon there , he was bloody brilliant live) It was mostly pushing and shoving and stuff , but I think there is a tendency to sort of over glamourise it in the memory . Most of us were just silly tossers misbehaving and trying to act tough Yeah I think it was the grand where my dad drank and where the trouble was. Teddy boys. At least they looked the part back then, rather than the tramp boys you see thesedays.
Zingari Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Yeah I think it was the grand where my dad drank and where the trouble was. Teddy boys. At least they looked the part back then, rather than the tramp boys you see thesedays. Have you ever tried fighting while wearing drainpipes and a Edwardian frock coat ? You'd split the arse out of your pants if you made any sudden movement .
purpleronnie Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Have you ever tried fighting while wearing drainpipes and a Edwardian frock coat ? You'd split the arse out of your pants if you made any sudden movement .
Guest MattP Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 My dad told me stories about drinking in coalville in the 50's and 60's where gang fights took place, apparantly markfield had a particulary nasty gang. I would say its safer thesedays than ever before. but others may beg to differ. Probably more regular fighting back then, but not safer these days. Was all fists then, now if you get into a scuffle you probably have a 1 in 10 chance of a knife being pulled on you.
purpleronnie Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Probably more regular fighting back then, but not safer these days. Was all fists then, now if you get into a scuffle you probably have a 1 in 10 chance of a knife being pulled on you. Yeah I was going to add that carrying weapons wasn't unusual then (flicknives for instance) but rarely were they used. I guess todays yoof are a bit more cowardly, no question more people carry knives but using them is another thing altogether.
Guest MattP Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Yeah I was going to add that carrying weapons wasn't unusual then (flicknives for instance) but rarely were they used. I guess todays yoof are a bit more cowardly, no question more people carry knives but using them is another thing altogether. It can happen though in the heat of the moment and even more when alcohol is involved. Circumstance of the times as well, police under all sorts of pressure, quotas etc not to stop and search, add that to the fact carrying one doesn't carry a mandatory prison sentence and it's a pretty good day and age to be a knife carrier.
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 A lot of those gang fights were just lots of willy waggling . Nothing wrong with that as a means of dispute resolution. The world leaders should take note rather than doing all this military posturing. Obama v Putin; I know who my money's on.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 By "there were no locks in those days", I assume that the writer means that "people around there didn't have/use locks", rather than that locks hadn't been invented! Expressed a little loosely, admittedly, but let's apply some common sense, eh?! ....and I've no idea whether it's accurate as I wasn't there! The post was just intended as a bit of mildly interesting, light-hearted fun, anyway....what's with all the grouchy pedantry from you and Toothless Moggy (Dangerous Tiger)?!? So what was wrong with me stating the Romans had locks, 2,000 years ago? They did. You come over as the grouchy pedantic. Are you having a bad day, or are you merely looking for an argument, sonny?
notnow john Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Would Barack Oxlong be a close relative by chance?
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Would Barack Oxlong be a close relative by chance? Ha ha. What made you think I was referring to Barack?
Guest MattP Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 Nothing wrong with that as a means of dispute resolution. The world leaders should take note rather than doing all this military posturing. Obama v Putin; I know who my money's on. Now that I would pay to see. Imagine the state of the long legged mack daddy after a bare knuckle brawl with the bear wrestler?
Alf Bentley Posted 13 September 2013 Author Posted 13 September 2013 So what was wrong with me stating the Romans had locks, 2,000 years ago? They did. What was wrong with it was that you and your Shabadoo mate responded to a light-hearted post by interpreting a loosely expressed sentence ridiculously literally and using that as an excuse for pointless carping. If a friend emailed you to say "See you for lunch at the cock tower at 12. I'll buy you a mam sandwich and a cup of sea", would you expect to meet him next to a tower of phalluses and for him to stick someone's mother between 2 bits of bread and serve her up with a cup of brine....or might you exercise some pragmatic common sense and work out what he obviously meant? You come over as the grouchy pedantic. Are you having a bad day, or are you merely looking for an argument, sonny? Not at all, I'm a happy-go-lucky chap and only argue about serious issues, which is why I find it disappointing when petty-minded individuals carp at a light-hearted post. I'm having quite a good day, thanks, though the last few months have been pretty rough. No need for you to worry yourself, though, Mam, I'm a big boy now...
Alf Bentley Posted 13 September 2013 Author Posted 13 September 2013 "Your Shabadoo mate"! Well, if you will accidentally associate yourself with the likes of Dungerous Tigger
Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 I've actually had Caps-lock Tiger on "ignore" since his and a few others' completely anti-Pearson stance made the pre-season here pretty intolerable but I've enjoyed a few of his posts lately! With regard to the original story, I found it quite interesting up to the "didn't-have-locks-in-my-day" bit, when it suddenly felt as if Grandpa Simpson was telling the story
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 13 September 2013 Posted 13 September 2013 So what was wrong with me stating the Romans had locks, 2,000 years ago? They did. What was wrong with it was that you and your Shabadoo mate responded to a light-hearted post by interpreting a loosely expressed sentence ridiculously literally and using that as an excuse for pointless carping. If a friend emailed you to say "See you for lunch at the cock tower at 12. I'll buy you a mam sandwich and a cup of sea", would you expect to meet him next to a tower of phalluses and for him to stick someone's mother between 2 bits of bread and serve her up with a cup of brine....or might you exercise some pragmatic common sense and work out what he obviously meant? You come over as the grouchy pedantic. Are you having a bad day, or are you merely looking for an argument, sonny? Not at all, I'm a happy-go-lucky chap and only argue about serious issues, which is why I find it disappointing when petty-minded individuals carp at a light-hearted post. I'm having quite a good day, thanks, though the last few months have been pretty rough. No need for you to worry yourself, though, Mam, I'm a big boy now... I fail to see where the carping comes in. You need to relax more and stop being so edgy. I can remember the "Teddy Boys" in the mid to late fifties. They were smart wearing long velvet jackets, drain pipe trousers. Their shirts were very bright, and their ties flashy, usually depicting a semi nude woman. They wore crepe sole shoes, and had Bryll creamed hair. They carried flick knives mostly, or else knuckle dusters, and sometimes the odd bicycle chain. Their usual haunts were the coffee bars, or the cinemas. As a lad of around ten, I used to look at them with envy. They were very noisy, but usually totally harmless. It was more to do with the "in thing" more than anything else. Just a fashion really. The fifties was a great era to be a kid in as there was so much open space, compared with today. People tended not to lock their doors, as they saw no threat, and they were far friendlier than today. I expect the aftermath of the war was partly responsible for that. I have to say I never witnessed any fighting, but then, at my age, I never went into a pub.
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