cityfanlee23 Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 Now, don't get me wrong, the long term strategy of FFP is good for the game, but short term is showing leaks in the boiler room. Just a quick thought for a budding club who are desperately trying to get to the promise land, who have low figures. Step forward Bournemouth (Or a team like them) My knowledge of FFP is not vast so please correct me if I am wrong on any points. So Bournemouth, a small club in the southern end of the country, Trying to get into contention of promotion They are on a small budget, and small wage bracket compared to some of the bigger teams. the rule on FFP is that teams are only allowed to make a certain amount of loss £7m? and will incur fines if the rules are not adhered too. Blackpool have VERY limited appeal to players, with their small fanbase and tiny ground not producing much revenue, spending sprees are something that is very far away, However with every season throwing a pre season relegation candidate, up into the playoff mix. And for example this year It's bournemouth (Fictional of course, but they are doing well) Now Bournemouth have a very small income from fans, and very small transfer income, so their books are tight, they cannot even if they wanted to, spend any money in fear of losing money and being fined. come may they squeeze up through the playoffs, what do they have?? An inferior squad that they were not allowed to spend any money building, in the premiership. so what do they do? A crystal palace, and panic buy any player they can find in a desperate attempt to stay up. then they have a season of "the players have not gelled yet" Relegation follows (And parachute payments) so the financial state of the club is fine. However they now have a lot of overpaid, overrated players, on high wages, causing fines as they are not making any money! (Could palace be in the same boat come next season?) Just a thought, but how can this be good for the game when teams are forced to panic buy players as their squad is nowhere near as good as needed to be able to withstand the spending of united/chelsea/spurs/arsenal/man city, As well as the sustained prem clubs like fulham etc... Can this work?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 Its a big ruse to keep the money in the top leagues, allowing a complete breakaway from the FA and having a European super league controlled by FIFA. West Brom reckoned they made a 1 million pound profit last season, but no-one takes into account the 120 million given to them from sky. How can a club like leicester possibly compete with that sort of buying power which makes the FA cup almost impossible to win for lower league clubs. The FA should nip it in the bud and ban Premiership clubs from their competition because they're not controlled by the FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 Maybe they would enjoy there season in the Prem then return to the championship with a large wedge of cash and create a legacy for the club and town. Maybe the wheels will fall off and they miss out on the play offs as they have a small overused and over rated squad ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 15 October 2013 Author Share Posted 15 October 2013 Maybe they would enjoy there season in the Prem then return to the championship with a large wedge of cash and create a legacy for the club and town. Maybe the wheels will fall off and they miss out on the play offs as they have a small overused and over rated squad ? Agree, Agree, The promotion bonus would secure the club, and the parachute payments would too, but the wage budget would be absolutely untenable if they got relegated, with a bunch of overpaid has been... So do they pay them off? do they carry on and accept fines? So what is it actually doing to the game? promoting teams panic spend in the premier league? the prem is getting richer, and the stronger, however the championship is getting weaker.. What about all these young stars in our championship teams? Does it not promote more foreign players to be brought in? instead of using the squad teams have as a structure, then adding accordingly, they will be bulk buying players in an attempt to stay up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 You love a new thread at the minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 15 October 2013 Author Share Posted 15 October 2013 You love a new thread at the minute! I know bert, I know They are all completely different subjects though Just had a few things I wanted to know, and of course, international break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooseBreath Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 The most fundamental problem with FFP in its current form is that clubs like ours can still gamble on getting promoted if they wish. Fail and you've got yourself a transfer embargo later on but what short termist owner is going to care about that? Succeed and you'll have to pay a fine which nobody cares about because you're now in the prem and can afford it. So far from preventing dangerous gambling by gung ho owners, which was its primary intention, it does absolutely nothing to stop them gambling and only succeeds in making the fallout from a failed attempt even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 Agree, Agree, The promotion bonus would secure the club, and the parachute payments would too, but the wage budget would be absolutely untenable if they got relegated, with a bunch of overpaid has been... So do they pay them off? do they carry on and accept fines? So what is it actually doing to the game? promoting teams panic spend in the premier league? the prem is getting richer, and the stronger, however the championship is getting weaker.. What about all these young stars in our championship teams? Does it not promote more foreign players to be brought in? instead of using the squad teams have as a structure, then adding accordingly, they will be bulk buying players in an attempt to stay up! Why would the wage bill become untenable, it depends on how the club structure the wages and bonus payments, it could be we are at a new epoch on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss_tony Posted 15 October 2013 Share Posted 15 October 2013 blackpool didn't panic buy and had strict salary caps. they came back down but are now financially sound for a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 16 October 2013 Share Posted 16 October 2013 How are people coming to the conclusion that their wage bill would cause fines and embargoes upon relegation? The massive parachute payments count towards each season's income and would cover them for years. It's only when they run out that they'd be in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Author Share Posted 16 October 2013 The most fundamental problem with FFP in its current form is that clubs like ours can still gamble on getting promoted if they wish. Fail and you've got yourself a transfer embargo later on but what short termist owner is going to care about that? Succeed and you'll have to pay a fine which nobody cares about because you're now in the prem and can afford it. So far from preventing dangerous gambling by gung ho owners, which was its primary intention, it does absolutely nothing to stop them gambling and only succeeds in making the fallout from a failed attempt even worse. It stopped us! It's no secret we have cut the cloth to fall into the regulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Author Share Posted 16 October 2013 How are people coming to the conclusion that their wage bill would cause fines and embargoes upon relegation? The massive parachute payments count towards each season's income and would cover them for years. It's only when they run out that they'd be in trouble they are looking to increase this to £60m over 4 years.. this will drive a MASSIVE wedge between the premier league and the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Author Share Posted 16 October 2013 Why would the wage bill become untenable, it depends on how the club structure the wages and bonus payments, it could be we are at a new epoch on this. So when for example crystal palace got promoted, and bought 15 players, with rediculous wages, when they go down this season (Which they probably will) And they have those 15 players... AND THE REST, all on premiership wages, in the championship.. thats untenable! Birmingham for example, Zigic is on 55k a week.... Now they are in financial melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 16 October 2013 Share Posted 16 October 2013 So when for example crystal palace got promoted, and bought 15 players, with rediculous wages, when they go down this season (Which they probably will) And they have those 15 players... AND THE REST, all on premiership wages, in the championship.. thats untenable! Birmingham for example, Zigic is on 55k a week.... Now they are in financial melt down. Birmingham's issues are more complex than just being in the championship, and you keep banging on about CP, so do tell what are the deals these players are on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 October 2013 Author Share Posted 16 October 2013 Birmingham's issues are more complex than just being in the championship, and you keep banging on about CP, so do tell what are the deals these players are on ? Most of it stems from wages, It is more complex YES. But how can you sustain a club losing tens of millions a year on wages that you are not getting back? If I opened a shop, that took a profit of £1000 a week, and I paid my staff £1,500 a week? How would I pay the mortgage? Unfortunately you cannot sack footballers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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