Work

[Zingari]

Whether you believe you can get a job or you believe you can't, you're right.

That's absolutely true of course , in the same way you can either believe you're going to win the lotto jackpot tonight  , or not .

A positive attitude is definitely  still desirable , but it probably doesn't affect the odds very much .( but i'll admit it could be enough to just tip the scales in the job search)

 And of course the likelihood of keeping a positive attitude will inevitably diminish over time  , but this probably won't affect your chances in either case either .

[The People's Hero]

What is almost certain is that if you don't really want one, or don't really try, you won't get one.

[Zingari]

What is almost certain is that if you don't really want one, or don't really try, you won't get one.

yes i agree , but the more dominant factors to the liklihood in someone getting employment are probably such things as  , amount of jobs available , age /experience of applicant , applicant's fitness for type of work etc etc  . 

Being positive is obviously better than a negative approach , but in all probability that positiveness will spring  from the amount of jobs available ,  applicant's age /experience  fitness etc . 

In the same way i'd be more positive of winning the lottery with 1000 tickets than i would with 1 .

 

you can't just be positive in situations just by saying so . it's reliant on other factors .

[Rincewind]

True. If you are made redundant after 30 years as a carpenter at the age of 55 you are unlikely to get a job as an accountant.

Might not be the best example but first one I thought of. The opposite applies if you have problems with legs or hands or walking.

[MooseBreath]

So a carpenter made redundant at 55 who has problems with his hands and legs is likely to get a job as an accountant, is that what you're saying?

[The People's Hero]

What was this carpenter doing until he was 25? On the dole 16-25?

 

[MooseBreath]

He'd probably adopted the mindset that equates getting a job with winning the lottery and was sitting at home moaning at the tories for not giving him enough skills and at the job centre for not finding him enough opportunities.

[The People's Hero]

I'm sat here writing some stupid insurance continuous assessment rubbish on my weekend. Have four of these to do this weekend. 

 

Maybe its me who is missing a trick.

[Rincewind]

What was this carpenter doing until he was 25? On the dole 16-25?

 

A little picky but make it 40 years. Can you get my drift. If you have had a certain profession all your life and find yourself out of work either through redundancy or because of loss of industry hosiery engineering shop closure health etc it would be difficult to train at 55-65 for a new trade for some people.

[The People's Hero]

We've been through this before. I would consider myself well equipped to go in to any manner of office based jobs, but if anyone has genuinely done something for 40 years and not picked up any other worthwhile skills in those 40 years, who do they have to blame?

 

What is preventing this carpenter from teaching himself book-keeping or (fairly ambitiously) accountancy and get the relevant qualification? I assume during his 40 years of carpentry he's put aside some money just in case, or has had a nice redundancy pay off with which to fund it?

 

Or has he not prepared financially either? 

 

Does he actually really want to be an accountant? Doesn't sound like he's made any effort to put things in place over 40 years.

 

I could go on, but I'm just going to accept that the loss of his job, his failure to acquire any other skills and his complete lack of any foresight or backup plan are the fault of the government, bankers and anyone who isn't homeless.

[Strokes]

A little picky but make it 40 years. Can you get my drift. If you have had a certain profession all your life and find yourself out of work either through redundancy or because of loss of industry hosiery engineering shop closure health etc it would be difficult to train at 55-65 for a new trade for some people.

It happend to me, i start back in my trade on tuesday after 2 years working in warehouses. It happens, you wont catch me moaning or blaming others.

[Zingari]

What was this carpenter doing until he was 25? On the dole 16-25?

 

yes the tories were in power back then too 

[The People's Hero]

yes the tories were in power back then too 

 

People took no responsibility for their own lives then, too?

[Zingari]

People took no responsibility for their own lives then, too?

i was only joking     

[ADK]

If there's a lack of jobs then there will be people unemployed.

[Rincewind]

It happend to me, i start back in my trade on tuesday after 2 years working in warehouses. It happens, you wont catch me moaning or blaming others.

How old are you?  I am not blaming others. 25-30 years ago there were more factories in Leicester. More industries and people leaving school took apprentices that were intended for life. There are some jobs that are transferable and some that are not.

My point was that an employer is not going to give a 55 plus year old a training course which could be needed.

I am not blaming anybody but stating it like it is.

[Strokes]

How old are you? I am not blaming others. 25-30 years ago there were more factories in Leicester. More industries and people leaving school took apprentices that were intended for life. There are some jobs that are transferable and some that are not.

My point was that an employer is not going to give a 55 plus year old a training course which could be needed.

I am not blaming anybody but stating it like it is.

Im 32 but the jobs i took started at minimum wage with no skill set required, it was pretty easy to work up though to be honest. The competition wasnt exactly fierce but i found the most difficult bit was the change of mindset. Coming from the electrical trade where you dont cut corners, to the transport industry where you have to and 'blag' was the favourite word.

Literally though anyone could have done what i was doing, even until the very end and the pay wasnt to shabby once you prove you can cope with the pressure.

[Zingari]

Pfft you were lucky !!

we 'ad it tuff 

I 'ad to work in t' pit 18 hours a day , week in week out , for 3 bob a week and when we got home,  which was just a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin , ,  all we had to eat was a handful of coal ,.

 

and you try tellin' the young uns of today that, !!!

[Strokes]

Pfft you were lucky !!

we 'ad it tuff

I 'ad to work in t' pit 18 hours a day , week in week out , for 3 bob a week and when we got home, which was just a hole in the ground covered by a sheet of tarpaulin , , all we had to eat was a handful of coal ,.

and you try tellin' the young uns of today that, !!!

So why hate thatcher for closing the pits?

[Zingari]

So why hate thatcher for closing the pits?

it's a monty python sketch type joke 

 

look for "the 4 yorkshiremen" on youtube, if you've not seen it before   

 

edit;

here you go 

 

[Strokes]

it's a monty python sketch type joke

look for "the 4 yorkshiremen" on youtube, if you've not seen it before

Sorry now you mention it......

[MPH]

 

yes i agree , but the more dominant factors to the liklihood in someone getting employment are probably such things as  , amount of jobs available , age /experience of applicant , applicant's fitness for type of work etc etc  . 

Being positive is obviously better than a negative approach , but in all probability that positiveness will spring  from the amount of jobs available ,  applicant's age /experience  fitness etc . 

In the same way i'd be more positive of winning the lottery with 1000 tickets than i would with 1 .

 

you can't just be positive in situations just by saying so . it's reliant on other factors .

 

 

 

hmmm.. yes it can be reliant on factors... for example if I applied for a job as an airline pilot then, depending on the country, I'm likely to get knocked back on the basis I cant fly a plane.

 

 

However, Every interview I have been to, I have been offered the job. and yes, I mean EVERY  interview. I'm not anything special, I just research every company I go to an interview for and also research the job I go for, im extremely positive and enthusiastic during the interview and I make an effort to dress appropriately.

[MPH]

How old are you?  I am not blaming others. 25-30 years ago there were more factories in Leicester. More industries and people leaving school took apprentices that were intended for life. There are some jobs that are transferable and some that are not.

My point was that an employer is not going to give a 55 plus year old a training course which could be needed.

I am not blaming anybody but stating it like it is.

 

I know this is not addressed towards me....

 

But when I moved to the states 4 years ago none of my qualifications transferred over. I had to start right from the beginning...

 

My first job was as a janitor at the local fed ex warehouse.. cleaning truckers toilets every day was disgusting... worst job I have ever done.

 

Im now the Safety director of a wound care& hyperbaric chambers department for my local hospital. Its amazing what a bit of enthusiasm can do for you... and actually having jobs like being a janitor on your resume don't do you any harm at all - just shows that you are willing to work hard and do anything it takes to have some money in your pocket. 

[Strokes]

I know this is not addressed towards me....

But when I moved to the states 4 years ago none of my qualifications transferred over. I had to start right from the beginning...

My first job was as a janitor at the local fed ex warehouse.. cleaning truckers toilets every day was disgusting... worst job I have ever done.

Im now the Safety director of a wound care& hyperbaric chambers department for my local hospital. Its amazing what a bit of enthusiasm can do for you... and actually having jobs like being a janitor on your resume don't do you any harm at all - just shows that you are willing to work hard and do anything it takes to have some money in your pocket.

Even though the janitor was a shitty job, i bet there were elements you enjoyed? I didnt like working in a warehouse but i could find enjoyment in it, if that makes sense?

[MPH]

Even though the janitor was a shitty job, i bet there were elements you enjoyed? I didnt like working in a warehouse but i could find enjoyment in it, if that makes sense?

 

I certainly felt immense satisfaction  in knowing that I had earnt every penny that was in my pocket, if that makes sense... felt a lot of pride in that.  I enjoyed being part of a great team of guys I get on well with and still am in contact with today... but having to pick chewing gum out of urinals filled with chewing tobacco too... there was one guy who would STAND on the toilet seat to piss in the toilet.. wouldn't use the urinals... pissed everywhere and had to clean that up obviously..  so I didn't really like the job itself, but things linked to it...