Bob Crowe RMT leader dies.

[Rincewind]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26317069

 

These are the ones they know about

[Guest MattP]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26317069

 

These are the ones they know about

 

That has absolutely nothing to do with tax on bonuses.

 

You are confusing tax evasion with tax avoidance as well.

 

And you have posted a link showing George Osborne claimping down on it as well, surely there was a link on DNO/Free Speech News that shows him engaging in it instead?

[Rincewind]

Do you not pay tax on your Xmas bonus then?

[Jon the Hat]

Do you not pay tax on your Xmas bonus then?

 

I pay shit loads of tax on my bonus seeing as you ask.  Something in the region of 60% this year.  How much tax are you contributing ken?

[Guest MattP]

Do you not pay tax on your Xmas bonus then?

 

When I worked at companies that gave them out then of course I did, are you under the impression people don't actually pay tax on their bonuses? You can put some into a pension if you want but you'll still pay tax on anything you take.

 

I don't know who is filling your head with this stuff but you need to start looking at the facts rather than listening to some of the people you are at the minute, you are being fed a pack of lies based on envy and class warfare and it isn't doing you any good.

[Rincewind]

Are you saying there is noone avoiding paying taxes at the top of the earning brackett? I find that hard to believe. I am not saying that they all do but those that do cost the rest money including yourself.

[Guest MattP]

Are you saying there is noone avoiding paying taxes at the top of the earning brackett? I find that hard to believe. I am not saying that they all do but those that do cost the rest money including yourself.

 

No that's not what I'm saying.

 

There are some people at the top, middle and bottom of the earning's brackets avoiding paying tax, as they have always done and as they will always continue to do. Some who don't even work or contribute anything are even now avoiding paying their fair share of "bedroom tax" by trying to get out of the under occupancy charge all while expecting to be housed in a multiple roomed property by the taxpayer, these people are far more disgusting than anyone with an offshore account.

 

Whatever inconvience people avoiding tax costs me it would be nowhere the inconvience Bob Crow caused ordinary working people in London or the British economy in his tenure.

[Strokes]

Are you saying there is noone avoiding paying taxes at the top of the earning brackett? I find that hard to believe. I am not saying that they all do but those that do cost the rest money including yourself.

There are crooks in all pay and class brackets but bonuses that are declared, are taxed.

[Rincewind]

There are crooks in all pay and class brackets but bonuses that are declared, are taxed.

I know that. Why do people assume I am against the high earners who pay tax? I am not. A tax dodger is a tax dodger no matter what they do or do not earn.

[l444ry]

Seems a few on the raving right think they know better than London Underground-:

 

Mike Brown, managing director of London Underground, said: "This fair and affordable multi-year pay deal is a good deal for London - providing a platform for stability over a crucial time for the Tube network. "This deal enables our employees' salaries to keep pace with the cost of living whilst being realistic given the current economic situation and the pressure on Transport for London's finances."

[Guest MattP]

Seems a few on the raving right think they know better than London Underground-:

 

Mike Brown, managing director of London Underground, said: "This fair and affordable multi-year pay deal is a good deal for London - providing a platform for stability over a crucial time for the Tube network. "This deal enables our employees' salaries to keep pace with the cost of living whilst being realistic given the current economic situation and the pressure on Transport for London's finances."

 

I know I paid £1.50 for a single stop tube ticket in 2003-4 and £7.20 for one last month.

 

Whatever you think of Crow, it can't be argued the man has had a huge influence on that cost of living rise for all Londoners and anyone who visits the place a lot, effecting people on a far lower wage than any of his members.

[Strokes]

Seems a few on the raving right think they know better than London Underground-:

Mike Brown, managing director of London Underground, said: "This fair and affordable multi-year pay deal is a good deal for London - providing a platform for stability over a crucial time for the Tube network. "This deal enables our employees' salaries to keep pace with the cost of living whilst being realistic given the current economic situation and the pressure on Transport for London's finances."

like he could have said anything else.

[Guest MattP]

What do people think a ticket seller or a tube driver should earn these days a year?

20k? 50k? 100k? 250k?

 

How much are you prepared to pay per ticket to allow it?

[Strokes]

Mike Brown, unofficial statement.

Its is with regret that we succumbed to a poor deal, forced upon on us by a militant union. It is a kin to having our pants pulled down and being finger blasted up the arse. However we are in the fortunate position of having no direct competitors, so all we ask is the passengers bring their own lube.

[l444ry]

Hit a raw nerve have we? Have another one-: 

 

Boris Johnson on Brown's appointment, '"Mike is an experienced leader, and will make a superb boss of the Tube."   

[Jon the Hat]

Seems a few on the raving right think they know better than London Underground-:

 

Mike Brown, managing director of London Underground, said: "This fair and affordable multi-year pay deal is a good deal for London - providing a platform for stability over a crucial time for the Tube network. "This deal enables our employees' salaries to keep pace with the cost of living whilst being realistic given the current economic situation and the pressure on Transport for London's finances."

 

You really know you have been screwed over when the Union writes your statement for you as well.

[Jon the Hat]

Hit a raw nerve have we? Have another one-: 

 

Boris Johnson on Brown's appointment, '"Mike is an experienced leader, and will make a superb boss of the Tube."   

 

What?  I dont suppose you spend much time travelling on the tube, but it has got a **** load more expensive, and the only saving grace is oyster, which is enabled by taking out ticket offices and the machinery and people involved with physical tickets.

[Alf Bentley]

I know I paid £1.50 for a single stop tube ticket in 2003-4 and £7.20 for one last month.

 

Whatever you think of Crow, it can't be argued the man has had a huge influence on that cost of living rise for all Londoners and anyone who visits the place a lot, effecting people on a far lower wage than any of his members.

 

Either you were ripped off or you were travelling in a special champagne VIP carriage, Matt! 

 

With a pay-as-you-go Oyster card, the single peak fare is £2.20. When I go down to London, £7.20 is about what I pay to travel all over London all day, making multiple journeys. Not cheap, but compares quite favourably with Leicester buses.

 

As for RMT members impacting the London cost of living, looks like they're not the only ones:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/get-a-grip-on-pay-gap-between-tfl-executives-and-staff-boris-johnson-told-8949085.html

"Figures obtained by the Green party also reveal how many bosses in each part of the Greater London Authority were paid more than £150,000 last year — three at the Fire Brigade, four at City Hall, 10 at the Met and 128 at TfL.

The pay for the top job at TfL has gone up 59 per cent in the last five years, while it has gone down 23 per cent at the GLA, 17 per cent at the Fire Service and 11 per cent at the Met".

[l444ry]

What?  I dont suppose you spend much time travelling on the tube, but it has got a **** load more expensive, and the only saving grace is oyster, which is enabled by taking out ticket offices and the machinery and people involved with physical tickets.

Well, as the late Bob Crow once said, â€œLeave aside the conference grand-standing, the stone-cold fact is that on Boris Johnson’s watch hard-pressed travellers have been forced to endure inflation-busting fare increases while the Mayor and his officials have also taken the axe to safety and staffing levels.â€

[Guest MattP]

Either you were ripped off or you were travelling in a special champagne VIP carriage, Matt! 

 

With a pay-as-you-go Oyster card, the single peak fare is £2.20. When I go down to London, £7.20 is about what I pay to travel all over London all day, making multiple journeys. Not cheap, but compares quite favourably with Leicester buses.

 

As for RMT members impacting the London cost of living, looks like they're not the only ones:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/get-a-grip-on-pay-gap-between-tfl-executives-and-staff-boris-johnson-told-8949085.html

"Figures obtained by the Green party also reveal how many bosses in each part of the Greater London Authority were paid more than £150,000 last year — three at the Fire Brigade, four at City Hall, 10 at the Met and 128 at TfL.

The pay for the top job at TfL has gone up 59 per cent in the last five years, while it has gone down 23 per cent at the GLA, 17 per cent at the Fire Service and 11 per cent at the Met".

 

I would happily pay extra for a 1st class Champagne carriage! I never used an Osyter card but I'll have a look at that, I can't believe it's £2.20 though to get from Kings Cross to Harrow??

 

It's also occured to me I may have been throwing away all day passes on every journey if your £7.20 call is true.

[MooseBreath]

Your naivety is breathtaking.

You have said yourself that you are in a deadend, dull, boring job that pays just enough to feed your kids and pay your bills. You don't sound like Mr Happy to me.

So leave.

If your colleagues became so disgruntled that they decided to take action would you tell them to leave, there's plenty of people who would take your job?

Or would you support them?

You seem to want workers to have no rights to enable them to stand up to exploitation by unscrupulous companies. And don't tell me they don't exist.

It's about balance as others have pointed out. I don't think we should give all the power to employers but in this case it is obviously benefitting a few at the expense of the many.

Btw the post you are referring to was a joke. I quite like my job, and don't even have any kids. The reward is fair and I didn't even have to go on strike to get it.

[Alf Bentley]

I would happily pay extra for a 1st class Champagne carriage! I never used an Osyter card but I'll have a look at that, I can't believe it's £2.20 though to get from Kings Cross to Harrow??

 

It's also occured to me I may have been throwing away all day passes on every journey if your £7.20 call is true.

 

£2.20 certainly wouldn't get you to Harrow. It's the price for a single, short journey, as you said you'd paid £7.20 for a "single stop tube ticket". I assumed you meant, say, King's Cross to Euston. A single journey from central London to zone 9 costs £6.70 (peak) or £3.90 (off-peak), apparently: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tube-dlr-lo-adult-fares-jan-2014.pdf

 

£7.00-odd is about what I've paid for all-day travel with an Oyster in zones 1-3. It would cost a bit more to travel out to Harrow. The chip in the card has a price cap for each zone (peak/off-peak) so once you've hit that (e.g. £7.00-£8.00 for zones 1-3, less for zone 1 only, more for outer zones), you don't pay any more, however many journeys you make that day.

 

I'd be on for a champagne tube carriage, too....could make a day of it, travelling round and round the Circle line, waving the jeroboam out of the doors (engineering work permitting, of course!) 

[Alf Bentley]

You accept a job as a train driver, you accept the pay and conditions. If sometime down the line you don't like it, you can leave. Plenty of people will be happy to take your place.

 

Strikes over pay and conditions usually occur when an agreed set of terms is due for renewal/renegotiation, not while they're being applied. They're usually agreed for a year or longer. Only an irresponsible union would agree terms and then strike before a new agreement was due for negotiation - unless the employer was abusing the agreed terms in some way. 

 

It would be no different to 99% of other jobs where if you simply stop turning up to work you would soon be out of job. That's what a job is. You do something and someone pays you for it. If you don't do anything then you can't expect to get paid. I don't think that concept is likely to cause any fear to be honest.

 

If you're on strike, you don't get paid - not by your employer, anyway. You might get some strike pay from the union, but not much. That's partly why most strikes about pay & conditions are short. So you don't expect to be paid for strike days, but you don't expect to be arbitrarily dismissed either - at least not by a good employer who values the contribution of their staff.

 

In general, I get the impression that your view is that human beings exist to serve the needs of businesses. I think that the opposite is the case, and everyone (management, unions, suppliers) should work together to ensure that everyone benefits. That will limit the need for threats by management or unions.

[Guest MattP]

£2.20 certainly wouldn't get you to Harrow. It's the price for a single, short journey, as you said you'd paid £7.20 for a "single stop tube ticket". I assumed you meant, say, King's Cross to Euston. A single journey from central London to zone 9 costs £6.70 (peak) or £3.90 (off-peak), apparently: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/tube-dlr-lo-adult-fares-jan-2014.pdf

 

£7.00-odd is about what I've paid for all-day travel with an Oyster in zones 1-3. It would cost a bit more to travel out to Harrow. The chip in the card has a price cap for each zone (peak/off-peak) so once you've hit that (e.g. £7.00-£8.00 for zones 1-3, less for zone 1 only, more for outer zones), you don't pay any more, however many journeys you make that day.

 

I'd be on for a champagne tube carriage, too....could make a day of it, travelling round and round the Circle line, waving the jeroboam out of the doors (engineering work permitting, of course!) 

 

It's a shame Bob has gone he would have joined us for it!

 

Thought so, I remember reading once a certain journey between two tube stops is actually the most expensive journey in the country in terms of price to travel.

 

edit: It's the Leicester Square to Covent Garden trip.

http://www.timeout.com/london/things-to-do/londons-shortest-tube-journey-1

[MooseBreath]

In general, I get the impression that your view is that human beings exist to serve the needs of businesses. I think that the opposite is the case, and everyone (management, unions, suppliers) should work together to ensure that everyone benefits. That will limit the need for threats by management or unions.

You appear to be completely unhinged in what you're prepared to infer from my posts. Over several posts I've expressed that I'm against the idea of a small group of people being able to benefit from their ability to cause problems for a much larger group of people. You're talking about how you want everyone to benefit but that's the exact opposite of what the strikes achieve.