cityfanlee23

I wouldn’t be surprised if there is emergency meetings going on tomorrow.

At this point I think it’s a bigger gamble to try to stumble over the line with him than to get rid and give it to a manager with a bit of bite and offer them a bonus for promotion. It’s got to the point I genuinely do believe we would have a better chance if we gave the job to Pearson or even Warnock for crying out loud. Atleast they would go in and remind everyone who the hell they play for and what’s at stake if we don’t run through brick walls for 3 points. I just cannot see us even stumbling over the line at present, we are predictable, boring, and ineffective and we have a manager with nothing to offer to change that it seems. Steve Cooper would be worth a shout for the last few games and if he fails it won’t harm his prospects.

I’ve said multiple times that I highly rate the work of Danny Röhl at Sheffield Wednesday, if you thought we were poorly run you really need to see what’s going on there. Owner took ownership of the stadium to try to make the club compliant on finances, ended up with point deductions and relegation, goes through managers like Watford, and has basically refused to invest in anything into the club, he asked the fans in I think January time to pay the clubs tax bill or shut up. And Chansiri has just released next seasons ticket prices for potentially league 1 football. For Danny to come in and have this League 1 squad on the verge of survival having taken over with them about 10 points adrift or whatever it was is a phenomenal job.

I completely agree with most of this apart from the long term project bit as I don’t want that at all. But regarding expectations, if I remember rightly at the beginning of the season we had polls asking where people think we would finish and a very large portion of the fans put that we would either finish in the playoffs or miss out on them completely. (I voted top 2) So fast forward a few months and we find ourselves 14 points clear of 3rd and suddenly we were outperforming a lot of people’s expectations by an enormous amount. Which led to the vomit inducing messiah status he was given for so long, where any valid criticism was responded to with a dogpile. It felt quite cult like how many were talking about him. But if you had expectations of a top 10 finish, and suddenly you’re winning and 14 clear of the playoffs it makes a bit of sense why there was such a love in for him. Then on the flip side, those of us that didn’t fancy his style from the first few games, to then surrender such a lead and be on the brink of financial ruin should we not seal promotion, that is a huge failure from a position of strength.

No, I’m comparing Peps first season. edit: Sorry I see what you meant, I mentioned Pep using 4-5 different formations as an example of Pep proving he is dynamic. But in his first season he changed multiple things about his system in his first season. 16/17 he used: 4141, 4231, 352, 442, 433, he has continued to use 3-4 main base formations every year. Again, we can’t even overlap wingers.

Pep was dynamic and played multiple formations and multiple different styles. This season alone he's played 4 different formations (5 if you count the club world cup), peps wingers invert into the centre, and when that isnt working they overlap on the wing, Pep has CB's that are competent playing as a defensive midfielder. Pep changes formation and style fluidly throughout the match. Enzo does not to any of that. There is a monstrous difference between the two managers, I know you're not making a direct comparison between Pep and Enzo so please don't think i'm saying that, I understand that Pep took a season or so to really click. But pep has showed he is dynamic and pragmatic at multiple clubs in multiple countries with multiple teams. Enzo refuses to even overlap a full back. At present there is no evidence it ever will click, let alone instantly.

I think you're right, but also I think it's a mix of philosophy and ego for us. Pep has stuck to the philosophy but he has played 4 very clear formations this season (5 if we want to be pedantic and include the club world cup) and all of those formations are fluid and change mid game, pep plays Inverted full backs who slot into midfield similar to ours, and if that's not working he shifts them into overlapping full backs to support the wingers, or for example he will play a sort of hybrid 352, and if he's short in midfield, he allows Stones to venture forward and the wingbacks slot back into a back 4. Pep is dynamic and pragmatic, Enzo is unfortunately not.

I commented just after you and I think you've hit the nail on the head here, he does try too hard, but I think often he does that because the vast majority of his passes (78%) are sideways or backwards, IMO because the inverted wingers result in opponents congesting his area of the pitch limiting his options. I think this is a fault of ours as a system rather than Winks as an individual. It's hard to tell how good he could be if given space and freedom during a match.

I'm really not sure what to make of Winks at the moment, I started off thinking he was wasted at this level, and I still think he could easily slot into a bottom half prem team, but I'm not sure if we have just overhyped him or if we have hampered his ability with the inverted full backs which often results in a congested midfield. I think he's been great for us overall, but I do feel like there are many other midfielders who could do similar at this level, and I think that is purely because his options are limited when we congest the midfield. He's made 3538 pass attempts this season, 2764 of them (78%) have been sideways or backwards, 17 shots (35% accuracy), 6 through balls. Are we hampering him?

True, but under Arteta we saw them making constant improvements, even at the beginning where they were struggling for points, they played okay and adapted, we have been average for months, and even in most games we have won we havent exactly been amazing. Pep took a season or so to get going, the difference is, Pep and Arteta actually changed their system and adapted it. We don't have the finances to make this work, unless of course people think Rudkin can pull out 8-10 rabbits out of hats.

The teams in the premier league won’t sit back, but they likely won’t have to, because they are vastly superior defensively, and even though we will have more space, we will also probably have less chances to score due to the overall organisation of opponents being better. This coupled with the fact that we aren’t exactly flash with the cash needed to improve, I would rather get rid of him and this turgid football before we have a chance. And the main issue for me is “as a team grows and improves” Where? Our best games were pre December, we are getting worse.

Neil Warnock would have this squad multiple points clear. Sad, but in my opinion, true.

I think a big problem we've had with this system is that although there is logic to the idea that it takes more effort for a player to run across the pitch to reposition himself than it does for us to pass the ball, and logically that would tire the opponents out, we do it so slowly that the opponents often just walk around the pitch repositioning whilst we aimlessly hold the ball waiting for space to open up. I said this from game 2 or 3, if we just passed the ball side to side and onto the wings QUICKLY, we might just be able to create space elsewhere, instead by the time we've got the ball from Mavididi to the other wing, the opponent has managed to slowly drift across and reposition, and it's back to square one.

Pep this season has played a 4231, 433, 3421 and a 4141, all of those formations are fluid and change throughout the game depending on the opponent.

Actually ESR wouldn't be a bad shout, just concerned about his injury history really but I think he's a really solid player and would do well at a smaller club, Brighton/West Ham/Wolves etc

Genuinely curious if you have anyone in mind?

Whilst this is true, It's also true for pretty much all of our opponents this season, we are VERY lucky to have such a good defensive record.

Every single time we have played poorly or lost, you've tried to convince everyone it's because we deviated away from Enzoball and you've tried to blame the fans on most of those occasions I respect you and your opinions, but this is like a cult

Can we get him gone now? Give it Cooper, give it Nige, Give it Giggsy for all I care.

Hopefully somewhere else.

Honestly I feel like some fans need a reality check at the moment, they clearly don't realise how lucky we are to have a future top 5 manager in charge. 650 passes with 3 shots on target, what a system! We really need to start doing the lottery.

But hey, lads, 650 passes though… ignore the 3 shots on target. 650 passes.

Hopefully we wake up soon, we've reverted back to passing it sideways. These are here for a 3/4-0 if we get at them. Not sure why we look so much less intense.

We need to continue to isolate Flemming. I genuinely believe he could play at lower prem level, he will punish us if we let him.

The question is how? We need 7-8 players bare minimum who are premier league quality and can play this system. So who is going to be responsible for signing players who are: A) Prem quality B) Willing to accept low wages relative to league C) Cheap fee D) Can play the system Friendly reminder we have Rudkin in charge 😂