indierich06

https://the72.co.uk/2024/06/11/sheffield-wednesday-leicester-luton-dembele-to-leave-on-loan/ Not twitter, but didn't think it deserved it's own thread. Apparently we're interested in Karamoko Dembele.

I'm surprised Cooper isn't holding out for England, they have got a long history of jobs for the boys, and he's been 'in the setup' already as it were.

Completely different situation with a squad that never really should have been in trouble in the first place. If you want to compare our situation with some of his experience, take a look at what he did at Sunderland.

Based on what?

It's a Premier League job, one of the most high profile and well paid leagues in the world. And if you fail, you get a huge payoff. It's not like we're some tiny minnow club coming up either, the training ground is up there with the best in the world, there is a half decent squad there to work with. Yeah there's a lot of negatives, but there will be PLENTY of people that want it.

Feel like Potter and Cooper would want a lot higher wages, and they'd probably demand big signing on fees - agents have made sure that bringing in free transfers isn't as cheap as it used to be. Not saying it would be cheaper to pay £4m for Corberan, but I think by the time you take into account the differences in wages etc, it might not be as much of a gulf as you think,

Genuinely, what use is his 'premier league experience' in our situation? He's never managed a newly promoted club who are expected to go down, he's generally managed established premier league clubs with good squads, and he's still bored everyone to tears so much that they couldn't wait to see the back of him. If you thought the football was boring under Maresca, just get this guy in and you'll be begging for a bit of Enzoball.

How could appointing a boring, uninspired manager with the intention of playing defensive football to keep us up be considered in any way innovative? Moyes won West Ham a European trophy and they were still all glad to see the back of him, tells you all you need to know. If you want to be bored to tears and then go down anyway, get Moyes by all means.

Great goal but let's be honest, wtf was that keeper doing? 😂

Yeah I agree - looks like Chelsea have done that with Enzo, he will 'start work on July 01'. Clearly to get around PSR. Maybe the board are keen not to appear like they're trying to fudge the financials? Who knows. Or maybe they're just cracking on with recruitment and we're all speculating because we're bored AF hahaha.

I do feel like the longer it goes on, the more likely it is that we're trying to poach someone from a club. If it was a free agent then that would be a lot easier to tie up

I think it'll roll along until the end of this month so they can sneak it into next year's financials, regardless of who it is. It's not like we're really losing out on much time, a lot of players from big clubs will be off at the Euros, so no-one's really stealing a march on us. Might be the same situation as Chelsea - we announce someone and they start on July 1st or something like that.

I just don't buy the idea that having managed in the league before gives you some kind of special insight or way of working that other managers can't possibly have. What a manager did with other teams has no bearing on what he'll be able to do with ours. It's easy to say 'oh but they've been there and done it', they've 'got experience' - well not with this club, not with these players, not in this scenario. I'd go so far as to say that 'premier league experience' is one of the things I'm least worried about. For me, the appointment should be made with only one thing in mind - who is best equipped to get the most out of the players at their disposal? That's what gives us the best chance of staying up. I'm not saying Moyes wouldn't be able to get a tune out of this lot, but all the people who are interested him are citing his PL experience and that he's a 'safe' appointment - I don't think that he has any attributes that set him apart significantly from some of the other names I've seen mentioned. There's almost an assumption that if we can just get someone with the right experience, we'll be fine - personally I think this kind of appointment would show a lack of ambition, fear of the season ahead, and putting survival at all costs over the long term vision for the football club. We are going to start the seasons odds-on to go straight back down, I would rather we be bold and progressive, and if we go down, we go down playing the way we WANT to play, not just abandoning everything we've tried to build for an extra season on the Premier League teat.

Why is there this idea that we can either a) make an exciting appointment and go down or b) make a boring 'pragmatic' appointment and stay up? We just need a good coach, regardless of system. Kompany's style is similar to Guardiola's and Man City's, and they went down, but then you've got Luton who play the kind of counter attacking football people on here think will keep us up, and Sheffield, who are about as no-nonsense as you can get. They both went down.

They will when we go in with our dream team

Come on, I agree with most of what you're saying, and I think Cooper would be a good shout, but this in bold is a complete dismissal of Corberan's record. Yes, Cooper took Forest from the dregs and got them promoted via the playoffs. I'd say Corberan did a better job getting Huddersfield to that playoff final in the first place - Cooper undoubtedly had a better squad at Forest than Corberan had at Huddersfield, and the playoff final that saw Forest go up was contentious to say the least - it could have been either of them. Corberan's job at West Brom is probably the most comparable to what Cooper did with Forest in terms of similar squad quality - yes he missed out on promotion in the playoffs, but I'd say for both Cooper and Corberan, what's more interesting and useful as a barometer for success is what they did to take these teams from being underperformers to being among the best in the league, not how they performed in the playoff lottery.

Genuinely why? He seems a boring, uninspired man with no discernible tactical style, whose fans mostly hated his football and were glad to see him go?

I mean, odds are basically meaningless. A couple of baseless tweets, people take a punt, it means nothing. If some random journo tweeted that we were in conversations with Sam Allardyce, his odds would move, but it doesn't mean it's happening.

Man, I do not understand the love for Moyes, it would be absolutely turgid, dreadful stuff.

Because when you're making up ITK lies for clout on an internet forum, you have to make yourself sound as much like Fabrizio Romano as possible, and that includes adding weird nonsensical details that don't really make any sense or stand up to any scrutiny.

Tbh that post has got more holes in it than a slice of swiss cheese. About 5 caveats he can use to explain why it didn't happen if it's someone else.

Unfortunately, a rumour in The Sun and a post from somebody with a username like SteveLynexsForeskin is enough to have most people on here thinking it's gospel.

So he's been offered the job, but they're still negotiating, but he's not sure on recruitment, or his own safety (????) and he's just going to... ask his staff if they fancy it? Half the staff he's worked with in the past are in jobs. And the club are only speaking to one candidate, for one of the most crucial appointments in years. Is that the long and short of it? Christ.

Again, Cooper and Corberan are actually quite similar in terms of their football and their philosophy.