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Korean ladies ruling the roost in archery as always, then.

Without a doubt. It has recovered from comparable events before. But it would be a truly sad thing to have that be the legacy of our species, and if things go sideways and anyone is left, I would hope they hold everyone who either wouldn't bother or thought it was an "inevitability" in the lowest, lowest possible contempt - and if any of those people were left, hold them accountable in the harshest possible way.

There are far too many people not taking it seriously enough, yes. But one way or another, there needs to be a way for enough people with the power to act to take it seriously. Otherwise we're simply accepting at best the deaths of hundreds of millions of and at worst the downfall of human civilisation itself on a timeline in our own lifetime as a fait accompli. Which is, needless to say, unacceptable to anyone with a conscience.

You are doing the right things, yes. In addition, more indirect action would work - if you can, lobby your MP and vote to push along green projects in Parliament, and to get foreign policy priorities for pushing other nations to do the same. Again, it may seem small, but lots of people doing the same would have an effect. Additionally, people are talking about difficult refugee issues on the AITN thread now - climate change will make that an order of magnitude, several orders of magnitude, worse. Do the people worried about such issues really want that? Do they really feel it would be a morally acceptable time to close things up and watch hundreds of millions of people die? Would that death toll (and that's the lowest estimate) really have no indirect or direct effect on the UK anyway? Unless one is a sadist who is OK with the thought of a vast amount of "foreigners" dying, then doing what one can to allay this issue before it gets to a truly consequential stage should be a priority for anyone concerned about immigration policy.

Sadly not a new phenomenon that. Good day for GB so far though.

Exactly so. Also, people have no idea just how complex (and sensitive to disruption) the mechanics of civilisation are. As a species, we're just a weeks worth of missed meals from Mad Max.

It is. But the day folks give up is the day that we truly are screwed. So don't.

Water, for drinking and crop providence, will become a massive flash point in the near future unless measures are taken. People think there is a refugee crisis now... imagine a billion plus people in equatorial regions who will no longer have sources of food and potable water. And that might be just the start of the upheaval. As per above, we as a species have the power to solve these problems. So do what we can to ensure that we do.

Glad to hear from you guys. Tbf China are beginning to turn things around (last year they installed more solar panels than the USA has done over its entire history), but other places like India and Russia need to step up, rapidly. We do need to try, all of us, and I wish people would become more involved and view this as a priority issue and do what they can (involvement in the policymaking process regarding it, for instance) wherever they can, because it's the only way we might avoid a very dark future. People need to fight the good fight, rather than fatalistic acceptance of bad times to come, because that outlook only guarantees such an outcome. I do agree with you about the acts of JSO being counterproductive. It really doesn't help. But rather than talk about that, I wish people would talk about what would work. That's pretty astute, yes. But everyone does need to fight the good fight, as per above. It would be deeply sad to be remembered by what remains of humanity as the ones who destroyed pretty much everything that came before them. Do what you can, where you can. No matter how small.

...I would again invite @Kisnorbo fox, @Babylon and @Trav Le Bleu, as well as other interested parties in the actions of rather ridiculous protesters, here to discuss the nature of the problem as well as the solution, rather than just a bunch of idiots making noise mostly for the sake of self-gratification. Always good to talk about this problem - it is rather big.

Exactly this. And oddly enough, I don't hear much from people disparaging these people (rightfully so) on what would work in terms of averting the catastrophe that is coming. Perhaps that might be a better topic of conversation?

Mosquitoes. The only species on this planet where I would advocate for total eradication, and with good reason.

That will almost certainly be a massive problem, yes. But then I just hope we're ready for novel diseases too, as well as whatever else the natural world has to test us with.

Fair enough. My own point in return is, as above, to be wary of underestimating acts of nature and that perhaps some people should take what it can do in the future a bit more seriously than they did with Covid, because the next time such complacency might come with a much, much stiffer penalty.

... and there has also been lots of reasonable back and forth on the topic here. Thankfully, this particular shot across the bows of our civilisation from the natural world was one that, thanks to hard work and some luck, we managed to deal with enough that we can have this kind of discussion on this platform about it afterwards. The next one might be a larger, more accurate shot.

Might be some spillover into the SciTech and CC thread if that happens. Not sure if that's a good or a bad thing.

If I'm being hypercritical, 59.03 to win gold is a time that Peaty would best in his sleep four years ago and beat handily in his heat and semifinal. But after all he's gone through this past year or two, silver isn't bad.

Fair enough. My own thoughts on the topic is that while that last sentence is well meaning, it ends with a world where no one is invalidated but no one is right, and on certain topics where swift and unified action is a necessity, such as more than one scientific issue, that leads nowhere good.

82 the target in the end, and Stokes exercising captains prerogative to open and do the job himself.

@MarshallForEngland and @Kisnorbo fox... If I may, the problem with the occlusion of opinion and fact that goes on often via the Internet is that people not only apply it to issues like the one in the AITN thread, but also to matters like the ones expressed above. That has obvious and well documented negative consequences when it is applied to democratic policy on science. What, exactly, I wonder, is the solution there? Or should we even bother to fix it at all?

Yeah, looks like it, but perhaps they will stagger to something a little over 100. Really shouldn't be a problem chase.

Also Ireland just beat Zimbabwe in their solo Test

England just chipping away, likely will be something like 150 to chase in the end, which this team really should (big word) handle.

Key finds from this: The UK recorded its warmest June on record by a wide margin in a series from 1884, with a major North Atlantic marine heatwave a significant contributing factor. 30°C was recorded in September in the UK on seven consecutive days, for the first time on record. Scotland had its wettest 2-day period on record on 6–7 October in a daily series from 1891. Storm Babet brought the UK's most impactful weather event of the year. England and Wales combined had its third wettest 3-day period on record on 18–20 October in a daily series from 1891. Winds from storm Ciarán on 2 November had the potential to be as severe as from the ‘Great Storm’ of 16 October 1987, but the strongest winds missed the UK to the south. The UK recorded its wettest September to December period since 2000 due to persistently wet and unsettled weather, including the sequence of named storms from Agnes to Gerrit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cne4n2xdylvo [Trump] talked about the power needed to mine cryptocurrency. “You need tremendous amounts of electricity” he said, adding he would build powerplants “to get that done” and would be “using fossil fuels”. ObLog entry 8538062: "Following the observation of the catastrophic population crash and civilisational collapse on the planet Sol 3 in the past decade, further research has found records that indicate the successful encouragement of producing a digital entity/"currency" with absolutely zero material value, using incredibly inefficient, polluting and carbon-intensive methods, may have been a key factor in the changes that led to that catastrophe. I leave it to the reader to gauge just how lacking in foresight a supposedly advanced species can be when such decisions apparently gain enough popularity to be approved and implemented."