Ricey

Wasn’t PTT mentioned by kyleolly, who then quickly passed it off as a joke?

I would expect them to take advantage, but it’s crazy that the PL don’t have a cut off date where any administration after that point results in a points deduction in the season after, to avoid clubs tactically doing it at the end of the season to escape punishment. It’s what the EFL do.

Yes, but any further PSR breach will only be a couple of points.

Well, mainly it’ll mean they don’t get deducted 9 points next season. They could go into admin and get purchased pretty quickly, as they will be a more attractive proposition for buyers.

It was based on the assumption that everyone had taken a 40% relegation pay cut, so the promotion clause was meant to cover the wages going back to PL levels. Problem is that they had also included it for players who had signed contracts in the summer.

If Everton extend their lead over the relegation zone to 1 point or more today, then I’d be shocked if they don’t go into administration and take the points deduction this season. Incredible that PL don’t protect against that happening like the EFL do.

He said the recommendation will be double figures. The recommendations from the PL have all been way higher than the actual punishment.

I knew the celebrations would be disorganised and weird, everything the club does is. Some good moments but generally just chaos and far too many people on the pitch. It’s not hard. Lift the trophy and then do a proper lap of honour without the families, so everyone feels a part of it all. Then let the families join in and do what they like. I don’t mind UFS getting most of the celebrations though, they’ve been the only ones making any noise all season. They deserve it.

I did think that a parting of ways was probably sensible in the summer, but hearing that he’s trying to get the club to restructure has potentially changed my mind. I’m still not convinced that his style will work in the PL, but if he now has enough sway to wrestle some control away from Rudkin then it will be a hugely positive thing for the club.

Nah, it’s got the Premier League font on it.

If he forces Rudkin out I’d give him a lifetime contract and free pass to never make another substitution ever again.

If we are liable because we should have had the points deduction this season, then we could sue Everton for not getting their deduction last season.

Getting so bored of Adidas, every home kit feels the same. That one is ok, but not a fan of the collar. The new HUGE Adidas logo looks ridiculous. It covers a bigger surface area than the badge. It should be symmetrical or, if not, the badge should take prominence. Both away kits look like GK kits.

Enzo needs to relax a bit in front of the media. He’s very guarded and I don’t think it does him any favours.

I’m going to use that next time I’m hanging out my arse. “Last night was…intense”.

We can’t spend within the current financial period due to the embargo, so any spending will have to be done in the 24/25 period, which will still be within the current PL PSR rules. As we’ve got a Championship season in there, we can only lose £85M for the three year period (22/23, 23/24 and 24/25) so we have no choice but to keep next seasons spending to a minimum if we want to avoid another breach.

For all those wanting to spend and effectively counteract the points deduction, you aren’t thinking about the fact that we have already breached for last season and, if we overspend this summer, we will breach again for this season and struggle not to breach again for the next couple of seasons. At some point we have to get our house in order and now is that time.

They have taken into account Forest’s EFL seasons as part of the three year period, so they can. I just don’t think they can issue points deductions for breaches that occurred in different leagues.

Logically it should be -6, regardless of what the Premier League propose. Their proposals so far have been laughable. Question is, if we do breach for this season, can the EFL touch us? Previously clubs like ourselves and Fulham have broken FFP en route to promotion and agreed a settlement with the EFL.

I think criticism of him over the last few months has been entirely justified and up until a few days a go most of this forum was incredibly critical of him. He's got a lot wrong recently, but last night that wasn't the case, which is why I was surprised that he made such a point of being overly critical of the performance. Maybe it was about keeping everyone grounded, but this isn't the first time he's done it when counter attacking has contributed to us winning a game. Anyway, regardless what he says in press, if we do deploy that kind of gameplan when required in the Premier League, everyone will be happy. Fingers crossed.

This is true, and he didn't try and calm things down in the second half when we went 2-0 up. The pressing and the intensity remained high.

I'm not looking to get at Enzo. I said that the performance was one that could start to change peoples minds, as it was outstanding. The aggressive pressing traps, the positionings of KDH/Wilf and the direct balls through the middle were clearly his plan and full credit to him for that. It worked magnificently. I just said that I'm worried by his comments. It was literally the first thing he said when analysing the match and he only seems to do it when we win without dominating possession. If he's happy with that style and he's happy to deploy it in the Premier League, then happy days. His comments post match cast doubt over that.

Exactly. Control is about so much more than just possession, which let's remember is based on total number of passes rather than percentage of time 'in possession'. Apart from the first 5 minutes or so after half time, I felt like we had control of that match. Far more so than some matches where we've have 60, 70+ percent possession.

This really worried me after the game. I came out of the stadium ready to change my mind a little on Enzo if that's the kind of game plan that we have up our sleeve, but his comments afterwards quickly washed that away. I took his comments as him being happy with the pressing, but unhappy that we didn't control the match more, i.e. that we didn't have enough possession. Yet I don't think we win that game 5-0 if we did manage to achieve 60%+ possession. We won the game 5-0 because we set traps for Southampton and punished them with our excellent pressing. It almost sounds like that wasn't what Enzo had in mind. It feels like he pours scorn on the most enjoyable performances of the season and bigs up the most passive and ineffective ones. He has an almost religious level belief in 'the idea'. It's not healthy and it will hold him back. He wasn't happy with how we looked after the ball, but for the love of god Enzo just embrace the chaos sometimes. We needed to be aggressive, we needed to transition quickly when we won the ball back and we needed to utilise the atmosphere. It was counter-attacking football but it was what was required. It was great to watch and it won us an absolutely huge match. It's also a style of play that we will have to adopt more often than not in the Premier League if we want to stay up, but I'm not sure if he'll let that happen.

Safe to say no one saw that coming. I knew we'd have some joy against them and I knew it was a good time to play them, but I didn't expect us destroy them like that. Our pressing was superb for most of the game and, other than a few attacks that broke down in the first half due to the too many touches, we were ruthless and clinical in front of goal. I appreciate that you can't play like that against a low block, but the higher level of pressing and aggressiveness seems to feed into mentality of the attacking players and cause them to be more ruthless, rather than overthink it. I wish we played like that more often, it's so much more fun to watch. Hopefully in the Premier League we'll have to.