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Unfortunately the piss throwing is a regular occurrence at "lad" bands outside gigs. It's 10x worse at an Oasis concert though. Did a bit of people watching before Kasabian came on and there was a lot of people there that you wouldn't expect at that type of concert. You get a lot of football "lads" that listen to Kasabian and it usually ensures that "lads" from different teams end up fighting. It nearly kicked off between some Burnley and Leicester "lads" at one point near me.

Freedom of speech is non existent on Foxestalk.

Honestly Margaret Aspinall should **** off.

Apparently the only club that objected in the Premier League were Liverpool. Every other team were for the introduction of safe standing.

Even the red shite can't be thick enough to think they can win the league when they are 19 points from the top of the table.

Could use that Chelsea song about Rafa and change it to. We don't care about Forest Cuz they don't care about us All we care about is Leicester Cityyy We don't care about Derby Cuz they don't care about us All we care about is Leicester Cityyy.

Having watched it back a lot of times, when Froch hit that right to the body with Groves not facing him I think the ref stopped Groves from falling down by holding him up. He was heading straight for the canvas and the ref got in the way.

That's fair. Tough on the ref though either way I think he would of been criticised so he was in a no win situation to me. No doubt Groves was ahead on points but Froch dragged him into a slugfest and he's so heavy handed the tide just changed instantly in that 9th round. On the count thing in Championship fights they don't do a standing 8 count which is wrong to me but it's the IBF and WBA rules. 100% deserves a rematch but I think Carl will retire.

What is? Refs are told if a man isn't defending himself and you think he's done stop the fight. Long gone are the days where you leave it till the man is lying on the floor with paramedics helping him come round. It's not ideal but hand on heart do you think Groves or Froch would have gone on to win from the position they were at in that 9th round? I can only see Froch winning.

Still think Froch would have won. Last few rounds Froch dragged him into a slugfest and had the upper hand. He was going to KO him IMO it was only a matter of time, ref stopped it early but don't think the result would have been different.

Can see why the ref stopped it. Looked like he was holding Groves up at the end, he could have gone down and made the count but also he could have got knocked clean out. It's a very tough call for him because now, refs are told now to protect fighters from going out cold it's so tough to call.

If you don't bring it up and carry on with the abduction theory then people will get suspicious as to why you have given up with no closure.

Why because she suspected one of her good friends to go snooping round their apartment with no good reason? It would be stranger if she said no don't go I will check.

The thing you gotta remember about the timings as well though is they were all drinking so how accurate can they be about 15 minutes? It could have been what 20-25?

No I don't think so the guy Gerry stopped to chat with was someone they met over there who he recognised and just had a brief conversation with. There's only 1 person I would let check on my kids alone apart from close family and if he just listened I would be livid.

He wasn't supposed to check on her though. Kate got up to go to their apartment and apparently he suggested he check on their children because he was going at the same time purely by chance.

Imagine trying to explain to foreign police why your young daughter is dead.

Didn't matey change his story about checking on Maddie as well? He said her didn't check on her then he remembered he told Kate he would check whilst he was checking his own kids and then didn't he say he checked on her twice? I forgot about the washing of the cuddly toy, that is so suspicious it's unreal.

Buried her, then reburied her somewhere else? Just playing Devil's advocate.

From the minute the alarm was raised nobody was looking for a dead young girl they were looking for a kidnapped girl, so everybody was on the look out for a girl fitting Maddie's description, I remember some bloke being arrested with his own child because she looked like Maddie at one point. That night nobody was checking on their children except themselves, that's why the individual parents kept getting up and going 1 by 1 to their own apartments. Gerry on Crimewatch the other night said he thought it was strange that the door had been open wider than the last time he went in there so he hadn't anticipated anybody going in since he did last time. I think they went to the restaurant to keep up pretences as otherwise everybody else would be saying "oh where are Gerry and Kate?". If memory serves me right didn't one of the blood sniffer dogs stop at one of the wardrobes in the apartment? You could quite easily store the body of a young child within there. There's just too many questions surrounding them and there is barely anything that correlates with an outsider abducting her.

You don't think you couldn't clean up a mess in that time frame? What about the bloke who said he saw a man carrying a young girl's body that night? The whole kidnap thing is nonsense, nearly everybody in the Western world knows Madeline McCann, if anybody had seen that little girl in the following weeks they would have rung the alarm. The fact they think she can be living somewhere else and living a completely different life is farcical.

Clean up job and missed the blood near the sofa is my view. I don't think they meant to kill her but I think she had an accident and no one was there to look after her. The whole kidnap thing just makes no sense to me, I believe they know what happened to her, you just have to look at the Mum and you can tell something is not right.

I said at the time I bet the kids were just put to bed the first night and woke up not knowing where their parents were, obviously the commotion with the crying etc so the night after they used a little sedation so that they wouldn't wake up this time and she fell from the bed, banged her head and obviously through nobody being there to look after her and all the other children fast asleep....

To this day I still believe my original theory that they gave her some sort of sedation so that she would go to sleep and everything spiralled from there.

Jamie Vardy baby is quality. That really deserves an airing.