Ric Flair

The irony is we could pick up a tall and mobile central midfielder from Brighton for free his name is Steven Alzate.

Let's revisit that this coming season too, he could be pony for us in the PL despite him doing well at Spurs for a while.

I presume he's part of the deal in the sense that they'll sign KDH for x as long as we give them a fee for a player who's only got a year left and very much a bit part player. See Maddison and Winks last summer. Separate deals and possibly even timings but mutually agreeable and maybe even some movement on price to facilitate.

I'm not against selling KDH, I won't lose any sleep over it but it's the optics of the deal. I know we are desperate for funds and I think £30m + would have to be taken but keep Moder well away from this deal.

Atrocious deal.

Zero goals and zero assists. Missed nearly 2 whole years with an ACL. Simply lovely

This won't prevent us from the points deduction being spoke about for 22/23. That seems inevitable according to many.

The bloke was out for nearly 2 whole years with an ACL, that's like the holy grail of ACLs.

@kingfox Sem Steijn Thoughts??

Martin Baturina (probably still cost £20m +) Giannis Konstantelias Can Uzun Muhammed Cham Fabio Carvalho Lorran Gustavo Sa Ismael Gharbi Bruno Zapelli Sem Steijn Pavel Sulc

Has this situation ever happened before? I know the PL haven't ever taken over a charge from the EFL but could they have? My suspicion is they don't because it's extra hassle and costs them, they don't gain anything from it either.

Leo Castledine an'all please

What these articles don't ever caveat is that a) the maximum a PL club has been hit with for PSR is 8 points as 9 points is the deduction for going in to administration and b) no PL club has ever had a breach passed down from a charge from the EFL. Whether legally either could occur is open for discussion but there's plenty reason to assume they won't.

There's being ambitious and offering a big salary over 5 years but to not have a sacking clause which equated to a proportion of his total contract (if indeed that were the case) is crazy. Seldom do managers last 5 years regardless of immediate success and don't forget he had a release clause, so his sacking clause should have aligned with that at the very least.

I'd be surprised if getting promoted has enabled us to comply though. If anything it could have increased costs in 23/24 in player bonuses. Hopefully we have gotten in some additional sponsorship but don't we tend to hear about such things?

And if we did have to pay Rodgers off his entire remaining contract then that means when we signed off on his new deal in 2019 for 5 years we had a maximum £50m liability over our heads that potentially had to be paid in the year in question. That decision making is extraordinary and would have made sustainable and robust forecasts and planning highly unreliable. It negates many of the mitigating circumstances some might be willing to give us with what's happened.

I'd like to see how much we have supposedly breached 22/23 by. Baring in mind we sold Fofana and Maddison in that accounting window, I'm not convinced there was a scenario that we wouldn't have been hugely under pressure regardless of relegation. At £2-3m a place we'd have to have been forecasting a top 4-6 finish which was a pipedream given we had no funds to strengthen that summer.

If we've got him on sensible wages (will also require a decent re-signing on fee) then this is immense IMO. I think we'd really miss him if we lost him. I think Cooper will deploy him back as a ball winner and I think there's scope for him to be effective in the PL again.

I'd be extremely surprised if we've raised significant additional sponsorship income that this hasn't been known to the media yet. Everything we've been told from the embargo from the EFL to our arguments that the 23/24 accounting period isn't over until the end of June to raise funds suggests we would still need to. I hope we don't and we've somehow complied as this is going to get very messy.

In which case why wouldn't we have provided the business plan to the EFL for how we were complying for 23/24?

Correct me if I'm wrong but he's always been very clever in what he says about Leicester. He's referenced some of his family being Leicester fans and some of them being Man Utd fans which he was growing up. I don't recall him directly stating he's a Leicester fan but either way it's clear we hold a strong tie with him and it'll be his career he puts first anyway.

One side of his family are all Man Utd (Dad i think), the other side are Leicester but he himself supports/ed Man Utd.

What Southgate and the players cannot criticise is England fans support during the matches. It's been excellent and there's no excuses for the performances to be lacking because they aren't being backed. Whether showing their displeasure after the final whistle is unacceptable or not is debatable but there's a general belief in football that there's a time and a place for making hour feelings known and that's not when the game is on and it can be further detriment. So I don't see a huge issue, they are underperforming and this is the end result of a manager who's tenure should have ended at least 18 months ago.

This might be controversial but I disagree with a lot of this in regard to the time required to build. I actually think in the recent era, the longer managers and sometimes players are at clubs the less effective they become. Now there's many moving parts that may contribute to that but I think the environment in which to build a club over time seldom exists anymore and instead clubs need to be very proactive to prevent stagnation. Football financing has become a huge issue that rightly or wrongly is having an impact on clubs performance and whilst hideous amounts of money are wasted by clubs repeatedly, it's the flexibility and freedom in which to make changes to squads that is critical. Once you're in the grip of the struggle it can be very very difficult to get out of it. I do agree wholeheartedly that transfer fees aren't the be all and end all on putting together a successful squad, the art is in the craft at unearthing the right mix of players that may cost or may not but the PL clubs are becoming lazy in their methods IMO and the reputation precedes them when it comes to coming up with the reddies.

I've got it at about £30m too, it could be less if we opted to put some player impairment in to the 23/24 accounts. Vestergaard, Praet, Justin drop off which is probably around £10m, can't remember if there's any others. As always the vast pressure will come from wages. We could buy £100m worth of new players this summer and only increase our amortisation figure by £20m up to £50m. We'd then need all our wages to be within the remaining revenue earnt and maximum allowable losses. So we'd need a wage bill of somewhere around £100-120m max.