Ric Flair

For 2022/23? Surely if so, none of this would be an issue. Whilst the loophole may still exist and we could have pointed that out, if we thought we'd still complied up to the end of 22/23 then we'd have surely just cleared ourselves via that method. There seems to be various outlets now quoting this £23m, trying to gather where it originates from and if its been confirmed.

Isn't the £129.4m the amount after PSR deductibles have been taken off? Pretty sure I read our losses over the 3 years came to over £200m.

The EFL have not once handed over a case to the Premier League and vice versa. I presume because there's very little benefit to the league taking it over, it's time and money for something they would rather not have to deal with. Whether that incentive with us would now be different but if not, the most the EFL would be able to do is a deferred points deduction or a fine.

Yes

But can only apply to clubs who were a Premier League club when that was voted in during 2023/24 I believe? And anyway, isn't it the EFL who handle this up to the end of 2023/24?

There's further complexities to what would happen if we've breached the 3 year period up to 23/24. As it would be down to the EFL to deal with this, unless there's a mechanism to hand over to the PL (this is the grey area).

These stats are pretty damning. Will be interesting to revisit after the next 2 league games. If we're still way off it then people's arguments for Cooper become very weak.

He quit. Said he was fed up with how loud I was.

If you could find any examples on episodes with the times and I'll get Jake to look in to it. Cheers

WELL I CAAANT SPAAAAKE

I seem to have properly got in to running again this year. Started the year extremely unwell and signed off work for 3 months where my fitness and health were at an all time low. Started trying a few gentle 5k runs as running has always been my go to exercise even if I've never done it very consistently. Mid April I was averaging about 28/29 mins, my PB recently is 22 mins 16 seconds. Training for the Leicester Half in October which is going well. Did my longest ever run after work yesterday from Canary Wharf to Kensal Green. Learnt a he'll of a lot, mainly thst I'll never take those horrid energy gels every again. Evil. Pacing was solid 5km and 10km. Slowed a little up to 15km and then the final few km started to get to me. All in all averaged 5 mins 22 per km which I'm happy with. Target is to break 2 hours for the half marathon which I think is achievable, maybe even 1 hour 50 on the day.

Anyone else have this problem? I'm usually being asked to be quieter but if the sounds shit let me know.

Still wouldn't be able to watch it now, hideous.

Dynamic pricing would need to reflect the football surely. Fans would be being charge 38 pence if it was aligned with Cooper's football

Couldn't have put it better myself sir

Because that should be the mandate from the board to the manager. It definitely seemed to be when Puel took over.

It'll be an interesting next few weeks. As I've said, this is the 1st time in 15 years we've had a manager start fairly poorly to their tenure. That's got more weight currently because how how poor pre-season felt but whether we've been very fortunate or not since Sousa's distasterous spell here, every manager has got off to a good start. The last time we were promoted, we played 2 of the top 6 in the opening 3 games and were sat on 2 points, we then won the next 2 (one of which was against another top 6 club). We then fell apart after that until April and the ridiculous great escape but we'll learn a lot in the next few games.

Which is precisely why some of us are anxious this doesn't fall down the list of priorities whilst we battle short term survival. So much hard work has gone in to this.

Would they suddenly start changing their principles if they were? Rhetoric question as they've never been relegated but it's still a brave policy they stick with, which you could argue in a results based profession might change. My club vision would be that if we are relegation battlers for the foreseeable then we do that whilst developing academy players. If the manager has a problem with that, tell him to get on with it.

No but equally, our survival that season happens probably 1 in a 100, possibly even more. Whilst anything can happen, with a potential 4-8 point penalty hanging over us. This is even more precarious, but at the same time that shouldn't be the causation to accept our fate as I do think this squad now has the ability to stay up. My focus is on the manager. Whilst it's only 3 games and pre-season, it's unusual for us to have a manager start badly. Sousa was the last. Was it too early to have concerned about him back then and then was it too early to bin him a few games later? I think we'll get a good feel in the next 2 games and the 1 or 2 after Arsenal. If we're still incapable of winning a game or two then enoughs enough.

Absolutely spot on

Yes, I'm glad we've got players out on loan, that seems to be the best solution short term. Alves needed to go on loan, but we'll see. If Cooper doesn't use him between now and January then there'll be no defending him, I'm willing to wait and see as he said he was deciding what best to do with him. I think it's the uncertainty in the early decision making from Cooper that's blowing this up. Josh Holland's article in the Mercury last week was very good. At the very least I hope the club are acutely aware.

Such a lazy and short sighted view. Bottom line is this club does not reach its ambitions without developing and bringing through top class academy players. We have done in the past, this isn't a criticism we're crap at it, more we've either employed a manager who goes against what should and has been a priority of ours or he's moved the goalposts in what he said he'll do. Take that £120m we generated on Chilwell, Barnes and KDH away and we'd have gone bust in the last few years. We have ongoing financial issues and whilst producing and developing academy players purely to sell to solve our financial mismanagement is depressing but I don't see much evidence we've learnt our lessons much and that's a thing of the past. But anyway, having a club value and priority that places academy development in to the 1st team as a non negotiable requirement, regardless of the expectations and pressures of survival is not a good enough reason not to do it. You can't be the buyer and the seller here. Some clubs decide that's their blue print. You have to be brave to do it. Wonder what Cooper's views are on how Atletico Bilbao operate.

Difficult one to call on whether he'd have got fast tracked from U18s in to our 1st team last season, I suspect he'd have had a chance under Enzo but under Cooper? Come off it. That's the risk at the minute. I'm fascinated by what we do with Monga. The club by all accounts are still reeling from Nyoni leaving and I don't blame us for what happened there. However if our 1st team manager won't provide a pathway to the 1st team in the short term for the likes of Alves and that filters down then we'll lose more. The last decade we've worked extremely hard to identify and produce players that will put us up there with the very best academies. The only way we compete with those for not nicking our players if we can be extremely good at bringing them through. I don't think that happens under Cooper.