Ric Flair

He is liable for failing to inspire and give these players confidence to remain calm under pressure and put the chances away. We've been extremely wasteful all season but what we were very good at was controlling games, we've not done that since the start of February. We've lost the plot and it starts with him, he's got absolutely no answers. His refusal to change anything is honestly one of the most alarming things I've ever seen in 34 years of following football. Don't think I've ever seen stubbornness or cluelessness like this.

Has there been any examples of promotion chasing teams sacking a manager this late on and going up?

It's a huge risk to do so, if we don't go up the whole club will fall apart, if it hasn't done already. Enzo will be gone as well. In normal circumstances he'd not be sacked by most clubs but I think this is a desperate situation and it might need to happen.

The issue is, he's not leading them to put the performances in. Our inability to take our chances has now been a major issue for approaching 2 months and the manner of our play is the responsibility of the manager to inspire the players. They're arguing with one another, they are lethargic and look mentally and physically spent. He's got absolutely no interest in shaking things up either, these players have absolutely no threat to their inclusion and that is absolutely ridiculous from Enzo. We've fallen apart.

We weren't going to but that might have to change after that dog muck.

If we're highly likely to breach PSR already for 2023/24 then sacking him won't be the tipping point. He'd only get a years wages max from it which he surely ain't on much more than £2-2.5m a year.

I don't see his future here past this season anyway, the drop off is staggering. Ordinarily you'd not be genuinely thinking it's time for him to go in normal circumstances but I think he's done here.

We were like this in the 1st half vs Watford after the last international break and then we stepped it up. Blind hope the same happens 2nd half as that was revolting. Players arguing with each other, KDH, Mavididi and Fatawu having stinkers again. Hamza been about our best outfield player.

This is happening

Go on then.....

Training grounds pretty much in Nottingham and all the players live there anyway.

It would have been interesting to see if we'd have used him this season. He's been excellent for their U18 and U21 side but knowing us we'd not have picked him in the U21s let alone our 1st team. Although he would likely be the exception under Enzo.

Probably meet the squad in Bristol, we'll use him if he's in the country.

Yeah it is

There are many things in football that an appeal can lead to a bigger punishment or outcome but not sure on this.

In absence of a international break podcast, I've lost the plot worrying about promotion. See for yersen https://www.thefosseway.net/viewpoint/leicester-city-ric-flair-promotion-rundown

The problem with this is how it accounts for transfers. The positives under PSR are that the transfer fee gets spread over the contrary so spending £100m in a season is only £20m across 5 years in the accounts. The downside is in the future years when you want to sell a player at a loss - it impacts on PSR in the year of sale. It seems pretty scary to apply 70% of revenue to wages, transfers and fees without huge decreases to wages and transfer fees. Take 2021/22 for example, we pulled in around £200m in revenue (off the top of my head) - 70% of that = £140m. Our net spend was £50m + whatever fees on top of that would have left just £90m for wages and yet our wage bill was double that.

I need to read up on UEFAs rules, I don't understand the relevance to player value. If its x % of total revenue allowed to be spent each year why does the value of players have an impact?

The term losing money is the central focus here. Football has ate itself, despite financial limitations there's still immense pressure to keep pushing and pushing an inflated market in tra safer fees and wages and its got to at some point go bang. Removing financial limits doesn't solve this either, if anything it makes it worse. I genuinely don't know what the answer is, in some ways it mirrors the current state of global economies where you're left scratching your head on how this mess is unpicked. We're just robbing Peter to pay Paul day in, day out.

Any changes to PSR rules should encourage academy players to be brought through (not poached from others between the ages of 15-18) and 1st team minutes gives more incentive. Sadly the incentive at the minute is to sell them for pure profit.

Of course, anywhere in the ball park of £10-20m there's quite possibly view points that we have complied depending on what we've valued allowable deductions at. But equally it's difficult to plan to comply right at the last minute by forecasting x amount of sales. We've seen already that part of this difficulty we've got in will be impacted by sales that never happened for players that then ran their contracts down etc.

If its less than £35m then we'd have to question why wasn't Barnes sold earlier and similarly why Maddison was sold early on the cheap if we weren't able to comply.

Some captivating replies to this who have soon flipped the narrative now that we've seemingly breached PSR too. 😂😂😂

Unless the poor decisions lead to breaches that are punishable. The decisions that were made in 2021/22 and that have likely caused it being almost impossible for us to comply with PSR in 2022/23 was not because of poor transfer incomings but because the strategy was off kilter. As I've pointed out, if we've breached PSR by more than £35m having sold both Fofana (and cleared £40m + profit and Maddison £40m - nearly all profit on the remaining book value) when we hadn't planned to sell either then there's absolutely no scenario in 2022/23 where we could have complied. Even if we'd won the league again the additional revenue would unlikely have covered it.

Whilst this is true that a few poor transfers or transfer windows hurt the rest of the PL compared to the big 6, that's more to do with their PL status rather than PSR explicitly. Take us for example, there's seemingly plenty of our fans willing to go along with the narrative that the reason we've gotten in to this mess is because we made some poor transfer decisions and because we got relegated - incorrect. As has all but been confirmed, any breach for the 3 year cycle including 2022/23 would likely have happened whether we won the league last season or got relegated. There wasn't a scenario that would see us not do so if selling Fofana and Maddison wasn't enough. The differential between finishing 1st or 18th is about £34m about what we got for Harvey Barnes and if we fall short of the limit by around that figure then the question will be asked why we didn't push for Barnes to be sold before the end of June. Although this also brings the question that if we have failed then what was the point in selling Maddison early for a lesser fee than anticipated? That's one thing I'm struggling to get my head around. Anyway, I come back to how we may have gotten in to this mess. If it were merely down to getting transfers right then how would that have made us compliant for the 3 year cycle? If Daka and Soumare were successes and key first team players it wasn't what was riding on our future compliance, I can't get my head around the clubs strategy for 2021/22. The only scenario for doing what they did was that they forecast Champions League would occur at the 3rd time of asking and then from there we'd back it up with other top 4 finishes. Baring in mind the plan was never to sell Fofana in 2022 and we barely signed anyone after we did, then we needed to raise £100m + from prize money, TV money and additional commercial revenue in 2022/23. Again, it cannot have been a genuine forecast for 2022/23 in light of all the issues that we were going to have a successful season. Rodgers even went on record saying the club were aware the season could be a struggle without a rebuild, surely they modelled for that. This is where it is a major failing on the clubs part to not sell players who's contracts were running down. If they weren't intending to sell high value assets in the summer of 2021 or 2022 then where were they intending to generate the revenue needed to comply? Likewise if they didn't build in any financial flexibility to move flops on for less than their remaining book value then this was never about transfers. It's possible to think PSR is no longer fit for purpose but that does not negate from what on earth our strategy had become.