Babylon

I don't care about him, just testing something.

Well, technically, we didn't breach PSR; lots of clubs have had to sell players. Including Villa, who I'm sure most would say are doing well at the moment. And the last time we were favourites to get relegated we won the league, so they are utterly meaningless to the conversation.

It might have escaped your attention, but we are currently, as it stands, a premier league club. Whilst there have been failings, there have also been more recent good decisions that got us back to this point.

I don't think he should get credit for or slated for signings, he doesn't pick them. As I've said times, I'd rather stick to what his decisions were. Eg. Did he appoint a good head of recruitment or not? If we get more right than wrong it's probably safe to say it was a good decision (Mascia I would say was a hit, Congerton a mistake and the new guy is a mixed bag so far). Of course, then there are the managers; they have an influence on signings, as we've seen this summer with a focus on premier league players. So there is a discussion there to be had about whether they should have that much influence, but I feel it's not been too heavily weighted in one direction, and we've signed some promising younger players as well. So it would seem from the outside there is some influence, within a frame work of us needing to add young players with a chance of progression.

Hi @Mark I have no idea if there is a feature like this, but is there a way of adding a "draft" post ability? I've often started writing something and just don't have the time to go into the detail I want. I know I can copy and paste it away from the forum, but it invariably just gets lost or forgotten. Cheers

Ha ha oh yeah a lot of them. The pressure you face after being in a queue for 7 hours to make a snap decision is ridiculous. They are lucky people are buying. 4 tickets for Wembley earlier for £2200, seated and not great seats. Madness

I could have had two cardiff tickets face value for opening night on there yesterday. Just let it lapse though as ideally it's wembley I want. Plenty been on there, albeit mostly the expensive ones at the moment.

Look, we all know we spent more than was allowed if you just take the financial side of it. Yes, it's their fault the rules weren't in sync with the EPL or didn't work as they intended. But I don't think it's wise really to pretend like we didn't get away with one here.

I need a beer after all these analogies.

Because of a quirk of the writing of the rules. If we hadn't gone down, we'd had got a points deduction. In terms of the rules regarding specifically spending, we know we failed them, we overspent. I'd suggest its more akin to having a beer in Saudi, returning to England and saying, well we're in England so you can't do shit now mate.

So you're saying we f****** the premier league....

That's ripe for club badges being superimposed on their faces

Yeah I prefrer that one

Hmmmm it's a weird one. There are two things here, we DID fail PSR. We spent more money than was allowed; that's not been up for argument. The argument we've won is that the EFL didn't have the remit to punish us, and neither did the premier league, because we fell into a void between the rules (their own problem). There is no perfect analogy for it really If we had stayed up, we'd have been punished. So, as per the analogy, if we'd stayed in the country (premier league) we'd have been put in prison, but we fled to brazil (the EFL). When returning to our country of origin (Premier League), they couldn't do anything.

I was trying to think of an analogy last night and funnily enough that's the best one I could come up with also.

To be fair, I've seen a lot of that. I think most people just hate the rules and appreciate it's a load of old s****.

They can appeal, but I think it's unlikely. When you start basically admitting the wording isn't up for scratch yourself I'm not sure if gives you anywhere to go. I don't like the press even saying a technicality, really, as per the judgement. We've merely applied the rules as they are written, that's on them. I think new rules would now need to be drawn up and voted on.

It does yes, but that’s not really why it’s fallen down I don’t believe. There is a process for being in the EFL which adjusts the losses you can make. The detail of how to handle that is there. The three year period still counts, the reason it’s fallen down is merely to do with jurisdiction. We’ve fallen between the cracks of who can charge us, it’s not because we didn’t fail psr. They might not be able to charge us for the years we were technically out of jurisdiction. But they can if we fail while we are under it, the numbers arent up for debate. Just the ability to take sanctions against us.

The numbers are valid, they haven’t proved we didn’t fail PSR, we did. Just that by a technicality (don’t like that wording really as it’s the way they have written it) they can’t charge us for it. We are now under their remit again, so they can charge us if the three year figures are off.

It’s not voided, they just can’t charge us for failing in that year. The numbers all still count. So if the numbers still don’t add up, then we will get done.

Love how you still bang this drum despite that not having been said. Like I said last time, bring the post up where I said don’t speculate about his responsibilities.

Yep 😂

Rudkin plays 12D chess, and people can’t handle it. We even bought the shit from Chelsea, Spurs, Fulham and Palace so that they vote in our favour at the next meeting when the all whine. Genius.

“That’s not in the spirit of how the laws were written”. Was Chelsea selling their hotel etc to themselves in the spirit lads?