Chelmofox

Like who? He did Bobby once.

When we were slap bang in the slump people were calling for Enzo to be sacked. Thats football. We now have the luxury of largely remember the 1st half of that season. Look at that season from the context of the 2nd half of it, and you started to see the many problems that are here today. We stumbled over the line and very nearly messed it up (i remember the day we dropped to 3rd). Luckily, Leeds and Ispwich also had poor form.

Wasnt there last night (first game ive missed at home since Cov home Enzo season). I hope everyone sang the ole ole song for him after the penalty.

Monga's output hasnt been as good as Kasey's. Monga is the better player, but he is still raw and needs to be left as impact sub. Regarding the market, Enzo had an entire preseason wo work with, and the club were making actual signings. You. cant compare what Enzo had to Cifuentes. Even Ric doesnt think you just throw the youngsters in as starters. And lets not forget that the 2nd half of that Enzo season gave us some of the most embarrassing defeats and the loss of an over 10 point lead. It was all rosy times under a better team. Also lets not forget that QPR (under cifuentes), Millwall, Plymouth and Middlesborough all beat us under Enzo.

Evidence suggest not. Dean Smith carried on about the same PPG as we had before, and Ruud didnt fix issues we had with Cooper. It sometimes happens in the short term (VP at Wolves) but even Wilder cant get a tune out of Sheffield Utd right now. Saying it will just get us more points is as lazy as saying we should just dump all the players and pick the academy. There might be a bounce (if the leadership accept we should approach things in a different style), but on the whole i dont see how anything will be different with this bunch. We have to strongly consider that Cifuentes is achieving about as much as he can do with this bunch. Heck, we are 4 points from the play offs.

Ive done this one before. This is the team that beat Southampton 1-4 September 2023. 4 of the starters are still here, and one of those is Vestergaard ffs. Winks isnt the player he was (and arguably was found out the 2nd half of that season anyway), and Mavididi has played like a poor imitation of himself for a season and a half now.

I am not as angry at Cifuentes as others. The core of his team are those who have proven themselves not to be good enough. I am imagine a big part of his remit it to get a tune out of them. I imagine Ruud also had that remit and refused and fell out with many, hence all the issues last year. I think Ruud got to the point that he no longer cared, and likely saw no future for himself in management full stop. I want more from the academy, but we have to consider there are expensive assets at the club, that physicality as a massive predicament when promoting youth, and even the U21's are midtable in PL2. The team has been gutted, last years recruitment was pi55 poor. This years we effectively have one player we can use (James - who appears to be nursing an injury anyway). Some players are bang out of form and low on confidence. Its a tough, tough hand. His interview last night he looked like he really gave a toss. He also made these players walk around the pitch after the Blackburn game. I don't buy that he doesn't give a crap. I never thought we would get promoted this season. I always felt this needed to be viewed as a project where we get rid of as much deadwood as possible and rebuild the future. It is poor right now, but projects can take time. You have to give players runs of games (Caranza) etc to give them a chance to adapt. Fixing isn't as easy as 'just change everything and get rid of the bloke who played poorly last week'. If Cifuentes is working to a remit then the ownership are complicit in how the project should go. Unless their heads change, they will go for the same type of approach whoever we hire. I cant see everyones head turning at the club and going for a completely different type of manager. I cant see someone else coming in and just fixing it. I think we are going to waddle to January mid table and see what that transfer window brings. We need to be prepared to be in this leauge for a few years while we rebuild.

Yes it does Probably.

I disagree. Vestergaard is a worse defender than Okoli and Faes. Unfortunately, Vestergaard has 1 thing he is good at, and the teams structure and pace is built around it. He is a better passer than those 2. As @Richmondfox says, he's still playing Enzo ball and its so frustrating and slow to watch. We can only move forward if we dump Vestergaard.

Vestegaard has been caught short multi times. Jeeze, even look at the moment Begovic had to make that save - ball literally sails through Jannicks legs. Awefull.

This lot beat us under Enzo. I get it, but the performances are more than important than the names of the teams we aren’t beating. But we had shit performances under Enzo. This has been a problem for some time, and I don’t think any manager waves a magic wand and fixes it.

Think this is the game it all comes together and we give them a right hammering. Apologies - thought it was the Enzo years again.

Stiffy stops once Ric sees who is Captain.

Maybe this formation suits him better. Cos he cost 20 odd million and be cant just freeze him out. Cos the other alternative of F**ING SOUMARE!

Which Thomas is that?

Best of luck to you buddy.

To me, this feels a little bit like when Cags got to play against Man City that season he was dropped by Brendan, so shoehorn 3 at the back. Brendan went back to normal the next game and Cags wasn't seen again until Dean Smith turned up.

And Page got lots of pelters for not being good enough too.

So we are at the stage where it doesn't matter what happens? If he changes it he is desperate, if he selects Nelson he is just being a wet blanket. So he might be better off just keeping it he same?

Gerrim in

Agree. Can't stomach seeing Vestergaard stand on the ball again.

The mighty Soumare and Ayew.

Queue everyone moaning about him when we go 1-0 down, saying 'what does the manager see in him'. Lad will need time and games.

Got an own goal a few games back. Improving.

Enzo's team got beaten by Hull, Millwall, Plymouth and QPR to name a few.