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60% in League One and 50% in League Two. Either a big cash injection which must be a gift or you go down the same route as Sheffield Wednesday, but that would come with multiple points deductions.

These are the old rules. They got changed after Birmingham and Wrexham bought their way to promotion. Birmingham spent 15m on Stansfield when in League One. Now players expenses can only be 60% of turnover. This includes transfer fees and wages. But the one big advantage is an owner can gift whatever to the club without limit if he can afford it. But it is counted as income so only 60% can be used for players. The other 40% can be used for everything else like for the training ground, stadium updates or the wages of everyone else. The money can't be removed from the club. But there's nothing to stop them from donating a large amount of money then spending the 40% or whatever is left on players when in the Championship as long as the Championship FFP rules are kept to. And the money spent in League One is separate from the money spent in the Championship.

This is the point though. In which way didn't it help? The financial rules have been constantly broken for several years, so having more hundreds of millions to waste wouldn't have changed anything except made the punishment worse. A 6 point deduction should have been just an inconvenience in the Championship for a side that cost so much with the biggest wage bill by far. But you've been run so badly it could have dire consequences. Even if you survive in the Championship this season you will be lucky to become an average Championship side. There's no excuse for this.

And here was me thinking the Leicester side of my family were those with the problems 😂 There's no need for your head to get even bigger but you're clearly one of the better informed on here 😉 The thing is I find it hard to believe that so many can’t see the real truth and try to blame everyone and everything except for the real truth. Average players at best signed for big fees on big wages has drained the resources and continues to do so. You can't blame the players for not being good enough. But are they really putting in full effort every game? They don't even seem to be fit enough. Players like Thomas have gone backwards in his time with you.

I have seen Covid being blamed for the group as a whole, so because of this Top hasn't been able to put hundreds of millions into your club instead of both mortgaging your future and for not bringing in better players. It could be a coping mechanism for some, used in an attempt to win what they see as an argument or they just don't understand the financial implications of what has happened.

Shite football. Men that are women. Women that are men. What a time to be alive 😂

I'm going by what your own supporters have quoted how things have gone so badly. Why haven't you quoted against them in the past?

I didn't say you were net spend 100m per season. I said newly promoted sides playing catch-up have that much to make an impact.

I'm going by the list of transfer fees paid posted by people on here and it runs to hundreds of millions of pounds and only a fraction of it coming back. And not once has anyone ever contradicted any of what has been said so who am I to disagree with what they have said? Surplus? You've made a profit over the last 10 years? Even without knowing the truth myself I would say you're miles away from the truth.

I don't want to sound out of place but this is a bit dramatic. If the worst happens you're against sides that have home support like you have away support. You won't get a Wrexham or Birmingham that often. A 1m signing will be massive. You will have to check a map to see where these sides from the small towns are. The wages you pay for a single player ATM would cover most of the budget for a complete squad. I'm not saying it would be an instant return to the Championship, but strength in numbers would soon count.

How much have the training grounds cost? How much have the disastrous transfer fees lost you? The training grounds would have been value for money if they would have served their purpose. The big transfer fees for players on massive wages underperforming has been the problem and even to this day is the reason why things have gone so disastrously wrong.

But that's been a major issue. Because of your extended time in the Prem there's been hundreds of millions of pounds going into your club. That should be enough to do what smaller clubs like Bournemouth, Brighton and others that have cemented their place in the Prem. But losing hundreds of millions in transfer fees with the wages offered to these players that you then can't move on is the sole reason you're in the present predicament. The Championship sides coming up have 'limited' resources of 100m+ to make a side to compete with the constant extra money of the settled Prem sides. When you consider you have constantly spent that much on just 2 players you can see where the advantage should have been.

Exactly and I've been saying the same thing on here. You have an owner that got put in charge of a football club by default. He also got put in charge of a highly profitable company by default. Do we blame Covid for what's gone wrong, is Top useless at everything he does or is it a bit of both? It really comes down to your POV. To me there's much worse owners out there because of their intentions, but when considering business acumen Top is bottom.

You have a better chance of staying up than Blackburn. You still have Sheffield Wednesday to play. But they still have to go to Oxford who are giving it 100% effort for the full 90 minutes. Then of course you have the final game of the season at Blackburn. It could easily be a game where the winner stays up but a draw relegates both sides.

I've seen it all happen with my own club. No matter how bad things got there was still hard-core support of about 3,000 that went whatever. This created problems with those who would go to the ground and protest but not enter the stadium. 'Scabs' and similar terms were frequently used because you were only allowed a single view. The best thing that could happen is both sides respect each other, but those that still enter the stadium also protest inside.

Was supposed to be going to your game at Middlesbrough with family members in a couple of weeks. Got informed this morning that we're now not going. They have all given up after last night's debacle.

WTF Watched the 1st half. Decent game and looked 3 points in the bag. Went down the pub and checked the score. Just over half an hour left and still 3-0. Checked score again with about 10 minutes to go and 3-1. Would take a disaster to drop 2 points from there. Didn't bother looking again. Got a message off my uncle this morning. STH for over 40 years. Has hardly missed a game at home in all this time and goes away as much as he can. Has enjoyed the highs and gone along with the lows. Gave him a call. Never known him to be upset about anything before but he's had enough. Said he isn't going again until this shower of shite have gone.

3-0 😂

It's hard enough to win the playoffs as it is although it's quite funny that Sheffield United have never won one although they've been in quite a lot of them 😂

We bought 2 players for a total of about 3.5m and sold them for over 40m. With that 40m we bought our present squad. That's a disgusting waste of money even without the players mentioned earlier and not including the inflated wages they also got. Didn't know it was that bad.

To me the problem isn't what you spent on players but how much of the fees were not recuperated when the players left. It's all silly numbers to me as our record signing is £8.5m. When we sell a player we try to at least get our money back and sell them before their contract is up. Top is the strange one for me. He didn't start out wanting to own a football club. Isn't it 8 years this this year since the disaster which cost your owner his life? You have still had success under him but it's like the blind leading the blind. He hasn't been tight with the finances considering Covid caused major problems financially for the group. To me his biggest fault is trusting people who are clueless or just don't care about the money being wasted. I'm not going to pretend to know everything about your club as when I go to your games with my family it never gets deep about the financial matters. But Top can't be at fault for everything. Trusting others seems to be his biggest fault and not being a wise businessman like his father.

If you looked at my family as a whole you would say we have quite a bit. But if any of our family was squandering lots of money the others wouldn't be handing over what they have to that family member.

It's not as simple as that. Can you get rid of your players earning too much in the Championship if the worse does happen? Your TV money would drastically be reduced as well. Only being able to spend 60% of your income on player expenses would soon be taken up with just 1 overpaid waste of space of a player. And without a new owner a lot of your supporters won't be turning up next season.

As I said it depends on what your owner can afford to give to the club he owns. But League 2 rules are different to League 1. Only 50% is allowed in League 2.

They can if you end up in League One. It isn't FFP but sustainability rules. They could gift the club 100m if they had it, giving you 60m for the cost of players without any other income. Even those ruining your club couldn't fail with that much in League One.....could they?......