Dan

I'd say without near certainty that we're getting a deduction they wouldn't boost us to something like that. They don't know the outcome but I don't think they would offer odds like that without very good reason. Which is all I said in the first place.

I'll take what they do with Man City as a flip side. Man City were favourites to win the league last season (as expected) but were something like 6th favourites to be relegated, on the basis of them possibly getting a big punishment. The difference there is in neither instance are the bookies giving you the value. They're giving you a crap price on both. This is different, they're giving you a frankly enormous price. 11/1 on Leicester to win the Championship, without a deduction, even in our current state is insane. They would only offer you that for good reason. * Not trying to encourage you all to bet on it but to be honest if I was as confident as some of you it meant nothing then I would be all over that.

I think unless the chance of a points deduction was nearly certain that they would price us in line with Ipswich and Southampton. The fact they're offering that sort of price tells me we're almost certainly getting done. If it isn't a certainty, then this makes Leicester's odds to be promoted or win the league extremely generous. I would put money on it myself but I can only conclude based on those odds that we are getting a deduction. I mean I may be wrong but I'll happily revisit this in 6 months because I'm quite sure I won't be.

Because if there is zero chance of a points deduction then making us those sorts of odds are ridiculously valuable. I'm genuinely surprised at the pushback here. Are you all sure?

They don't though do they? They aren't going to price us like that without very good reason.

Those odds on us to win the league or get promoted next season tell us a points deduction is an absolute certainty.

Correct. In some ways, I think Rudkin getting the chop would actually hurt us because it would take the heat off, fool people that things are good again when in fact they aren't. Further plunged into the mire.

It's the right time. It's a massive shame, I really think without those injuries he'd have had a career at the very top. But he's another who'll be on big money who we get very little out of on the pitch these days. He goes with more of a blessing than most, but right time for me.

This PSG side are the best side I've seen in years.

I don't think our drop off in performance from 2021/22 to 2022/23 was 'that' significant. We were frequently getting better results than our performances deserved and we then threw in a terrible goalkeeper the season after. Coming 8th that season was a huge paper over the cracks job. We ought to have come about 13th/14th and I think if we did we'd have possibly taken more measures to stop what was going to follow. That being said, everything that has followed since has told me they probably wouldn't have done. They would put it down to a blip and that we would be back pushing for the CL places the year after.

Cricket has never really been my bag and the best conversation I can probably hold with someone about it in any sort of detail is the insanity of that World Cup final back in 2019. But I went last night, been telling myself I'd go along for a while. Went in a group of about 15 of us. Completely get the appeal and why people like it. It's clearly a club going in the right direction, based on this thread and the comments about how it was the busiest it had been in years etc... it definitely scratched an itch for me. Like I'm already doing something next Friday and I'm half tempted to try and rearrange that to the next day because I fancy going again - as somebody who has never really been into cricket. I think it's a good opportunity for them. It's a sports club in Leicester with a feel good factor about it. With the state of LCFC and how utterly depressing that has become, this is a genuinely nice experience. Spotted plenty of people I recognised from LCFC as well. So yeah good stuff, glad I went and I'll go back - just unsure when exactly.

It's pretty clear they won't listen to the fans and don't give a shit about anything that's done in the ground regardless, so what next? I think you have to think about what they do actually care about and how you can hurt them through channels that will actually get to them. Ways to publicly humiliate them.

Yep. Won't happen obviously but I'd genuinely forgive his tenure if he made them look like twats - not that they need much help.

Rodgers can **** off but they had plenty of time to stop it getting to this. Everything else they've done (or haven't done) has put us even further in the shit. It was obvious quite early into the 2022/23 season that we could go down and they just let it happen.

They're absolutely taking the piss out of him. You know as bad as he's been, and he has been appallingly bad, I do wonder if he's had wind of them taking the piss from day one, right to the whole nonsense about his backroom staff and he's very much been doing it back. What a terrible way to operate. Even Southampton, as embarrassing as they are look like they're getting their act together a bit with an exciting new manager appointed. Meanwhile we can't even tell the bloke what's going on. What the **** are they doing?

Sums up how easy a ride they've been given from 90% of the fanbase. I don't think you get away with this elsewhere. Agree with whoever said we're the biggest sportswashing job there is.

40 days with the manager still in charge is totally absurd though.

This club really is a complete circus. It really is as if they've given up.

You feel this with the majority of the discussions on our players. Vast majority we're debating should be out the door.

Stringer quite clearly has a massive conflict of interest. Only explanation.

Heard a podcast with an American who quite recently joined West Brom. Came across very well and clearly has a good head on his shoulders. Not saying they'll become a top club or anything but I'd have more hope listening to him than what anyone at LCFC gives me. Our descent isn't over yet, these clubs are less powerful than us currently but it doesn't last forever. Brentford and Wolves potentially taking our best players is another eye opener. All they know is decline.

The problem is though our success has skewed reality. We didn't get success because we recklessly threw money around, we got it through sensible and often incredible recruitment. It's a convenient narrative for the current hierarchy of LCFC as they can blame these rules (which are a problem by the way) and deflect from their own rank incompetence. The lines are blurred.

I've never felt as down about us as September 2022. I knew that month we were done.

Speakman is somebody I was hoping we'd go for. I mean obviously we won't as we will never bin Teflon Jon but no chance now they're a league above us. I do fear more and more clubs are going to do what Ipswich have just done - go up and bank the money. It's prudent and it beats what we've done, but it's going to make for a very drab league. I fully anticipate Sunderland doing similar.

The entire culture issue comes right from the top. The time to be asking Aiyawatt to change the people below him was a couple of years ago. He has proven he has no interest in doing this and therefore, under his ownership, we will stagnate at best and continue our descent at worst. His time was up a while ago for me. Every fear you could've had about him has come true. I'm baffled at how people still back him.