Dan

Worst possible debut. Dreadful management as well in all honesty. He's been thrown in at the deep end by both the manager and Fatawu when it never had to be that way. I think even as a youngster you've got to do better than that though on the second - that was just dumb regardless of age. By the way get him back in the team when we can. We've seen enough from Thomas - he's absolutely useless. We don't know yet that this kid is.

Finished my first season which is quite a short season. The second tier of Greece is regional and I'm in the southern section. 10 teams in each section, 1 go up and 4 go down from each one which is brutal. The league splits after 18 games into the top 4 and bottom 6. We ended up finishing basically level with our rivals Panionios at the top and finished the season very well but in the play-offs we really flunked it, lost twice to Olympiakos B despite having the better of both games, eventually lost again at Panionios and then an experimental side lost 0-1 creating next to nothing to Aigaleo (the 16-0 team) so we ended up finishing a quite comfortable 2nd. We were predicted 3rd so I probably shouldn't whinge too much but I just can't really get anything I'm consistently happy with so far with these. Hard to judge how much of it is a poor squad and how much of it is poor tactics. We had a few games where we absolutely ran over the opposition and completely dominated but we seemed to be absolutely useless from behind (I'll double check this but I think in 24 games we scored one equaliser all season) and we quite often conceded late as well. I play a fairly high energy game so I wonder if this is just that playing out. I've spent a lot of the season tweaking the fairly basic 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 system but only seem to have any success with quite limited roles. Everything except for winger is frankly useless on the wing. Players seem incapable of playing on their weaker side and cutting in. Full backs just seem to be screwed no matter what I do with the roles. But maybe I'm just being harsh - we came 2nd with a side expected 3rd and maybe the squad just wasn't that good. With 90% of them out of contract I am doing a huge overhaul this summer and there are already signs I'll fairly easily make upgrades. There were some positive shoots but nothing I'd be that confident in taking these to another level with.

Even that it took two wonder goals and they're one of the poorest teams in the division. Probably just about edged it over 90 but another flattering result.

The worst run club in England. Give me any outcome that forces these lot out no matter what it is. Anything beats this.

He'll be gone before the new year. Our December is crap. Three away games and a tricky home game to start - all very loseable.

I think they are a large part of the root of both the uptick of growing numbers but also what you said.

Was thinking about this in the wake of some of the new grounds and whatnot lately but I do wonder if we built ours at the worst time. I can see ours being considered one of the worst grounds for its size in the next decade.

No it will be held as an example to defend a crap manager even though over time he was proven to be wrong.

I did have a little feeling at the time if the early wins were probably what will keep us up rather than get us up. The performances have been absolutely dreadful all season. I think we spawn enough results to survive this year. We'll go down next year though.

This is kind of fair but it makes one big mistake - it's allowing those who got us into this mess another chance which they don't deserve. I'm not willing to gamble a lot of time on this lot.

I haven't. In-fact I'm quite confident we'd be doing better. Because as terrible as he was, he was at least starting to force some of these players out. As it is we've got the same inept tactics but have cowered to the players yet again. Everything about the club is weak and spineless. Winks waved straight back in after his antics last season. The whole club just allows these dreadful players to take the piss. Van Nistelrooy was at least trying to put some sort of stop to that if nothing else. Well now we have literally nothing else. We need a radical manager. Not a bloke who paid to be a part of this mess.

Why is it never him who gets injured?

Nah. I can see both of those going up though. In-fact after all I'd say there's half a chance you get 4 of the 6 teams yoyo again. Wolves replacing Sunderland, Coventry replacing Leicester.....

You just wait until Forest pull clear enough from relegation to be able to have a free run at the Europa League in the new year.

Can't call the result, too much variance. Can almost guarantee a bad performance though.

Yep. Easiest game you could ever possibly have at this level. Forget their form over the whole season - that was a club with barely a team together who hadn't had a single friendly. I genuinely think the majority of this forum could've managed a win that day, and we nearly didn't.

Agree. Already seen a few giving a load of rubbish about feeling stupid and whatnot despite Thomas being no better all season. Just simply unfortunate what happened to him tonight although he has ****ed up on the second yellow. But a totally predictable situation as well. Cifuentes is trying to patch up his previous errors but it's too late. He threw Nelson in for two games in a week after not kicking a ball for months despite his previous injury record and the alternatives being the hateful lot that they are. Predictably he goes down injured fairly quickly. He's done the same with Aluko now - hand forced somewhat but it shouldn't have taken Thomas getting suspended to give Aluko a go and now he's given probably the toughest assignment of the season, and then screwed over by his team mate in the first five minutes. And yet a lot of people on here, and probably the management, will think the alternative is reverting back to the old guard who have just played like absolute shit virtually all season anyway. It's so bleak.

In the mean time we'll bring some more garbage in and the cycle is preserved. Thomas new contract for example.

That is the crux for me. This is no revisionism around him being anything other than dire, but he had at least started trying to weed out the bad eggs. We are basically getting all of the bad without even the small bit of good. Cifuentes out. Totally out of his depth.

We'd be no worse under Van Nistelrooy. Seriously.

Just nothing more you can even say that hasn't already been said. Get this owner out.

I'm glad we have the 'imperious at this level' Faes and Vestergaard partnership still.

He's better than a bottom half Championship side so no idea why he would really.

Skipp at left back how on earth did we get here?

Yeah for what it's worth I actually think similar to Blackburn just about everything that could've swung against us has done. But it's a trojan horse - we've been crap all season. We've not put in a good 90 minutes since we beat these 5-0 - coming up to 90 games ago.