Dan

15th - but I'm scared because I keep making these negative predictions and things turn out even worse. Our floor is very low. It's ominous.

It is but all three fall well below for me. We have a real problem here.

This clamour for him is pure cringe. He's been crap for 65% of the time he's been here and we treat him like he's above us. Extremely small-time mentality.

True. Was harsh on Stoke really.

Get ruthless Marti or you're toast.

We're basically Stoke.

Told you years ago. He's rank.

Life under Aiyawatt. Decline.

Its just laughable at this point

Fair play to him man. Excellent.

I'm as down as anyone on us and even I'm staggered at how bad we are. We are rotten.

We aren't getting near promotion

Cannot stand him. Proper dickhead.

You compare their attitude to Sheffield Wednesday's players who are obviously far worse, in a worse situation, it's pretty damning.

Can't wait for us to sign that Tverdokhlib

Odds are rubbish sadly with the points deduction talk. 7/1 is shite.

Choudhury, McAteer and Thomas are three I'd happily sell. If that Sunderland bid in January for McAteer was legit then what on earth are we doing.

I'm calling for him to pick academy players because they're the future and we're clearly in a dire financial situation, therefore this is a cost effective way to pad out our squad. Wanting Choudhury gone isn't linked at all to where he started. He's very much part of the deadwood. The fact you've had to bring up one incident from 16 months ago is pretty telling.

Sell. Good wages, ceiling is the Championship and most importantly Wrexham will pay over the odds.

This is a Fatawu like profile of signing, absolutely the sort we should be going for.

Said at the time that was a red flag. Needing them to go down to 10 men having played just one friendly all summer. Do I expect us to wipe the floor with teams in this league? No. Did I expect it against them? Absolutely, and so would they.

He's still crap. Further sign of our regression that people think he isn't.

Our board are arrogant and delusional. They think that just doing nothing fixes things and that problems go away. People loved to go on about the amount of sides who bounced back up the ever growing gap between the two leagues but did ignore that these clubs went through a bit of surgery to get there. Leeds, Burnley, Sheffield United. Leicester to an extent in 2023/24, Southampton also. They all freshened things up. Sticking with the same dog shit, loser players has no benefit if they aren't 'far' too good for the league and on the early evidence, most of them aren't. Even most of those who were "too good for the league" finished 2023/24 badly. Southampton and Ipswich will finish above us even regardless of a deduction. Not convinced by either but they have at least tried to change things up a bit. We stick with this hateful team. Disgrace.

I don't think it's impossible but it's very unlikely. What is quite clear though is we will always play about 15% below our actual ability because the players don't care and have no incentive to. They have it very easy, fanbase mostly let them off the hook, the owner is their mate, the DoF puts them on contracts even some Saudi clubs would baulk at. Add in the total lack of movement in or out. It's a losing team with a losing culture. I think it's this year where people, myself included, will probably appreciate more what Maresca did. He pushed for change - didn't I read somewhere he wanted something like 16 signings? Obviously wasn't going to happen but I like that attitude personally. We've been underachieving for years and I see no reason it won't be any different. This season has been a shocking start - scraped past the worst opposition you could possibly face at this level and lost in the cup to a team in the league below, all with the same dreadful players being tolerated. I'm pretty confident already we won't be going back up. I've no doubt there'll be people who ridicule this suggestion though. Well I think virtually anybody would've ridiculed what happened here in the last three years if you had suggested it, so I'd not really pay them too much attention. Aiyawatt & Rudkin's tenure can only lead to underachievement.

Would be very interested to hear Cifuentes' views.