Sampson

You wouldn’t consider Paul McCartney or Bob Dylan legends of popular music?

It’s just vibes based. I’d call people like Lloyd Dyer and Leonardo Ulloa cult heroes instead of legends but couldn’t tell you why as both were fantastic players for us.

Think in recent times Vardy, Schmeichel and Morgan are no brainers. Mahrez should be a no brainer too but a weird small minority of our fans bizarrely seem to hate him. King and Albrighton then as well even if there were more talented players (though both were still fantastic players at their peak) had some incredible moments and great longevity.

Regarding demographics talk the other day. This is why I think it’s going to be a long long time before Tories get into power again. Despite the old adage that people get more small c conservative as they get older, all the data shows the age split in voting has never been anywhere near as drastic as it is now. Only 8% of under 50s say they’ll vote Tories, I just can’t see an entire generation of 35-50 years olds shifting allegiances all at once as they reach their 50s and 60s and the older voters die off and younger ones become of voting age

Definitely think it’s time to give the chimpanzees a go at running Earth. Humans clearly ****ed up our opportunity.

So just to be clear, that's now 16-18 year olds added to the list of people the standing government currently hates, so that list currently (allegedly) stands at: 16-18 year olds,, junior doctors, nurses, anyone who works on the trains, civil servants, anyone who works in the public sector, highly educated international Masters and PhD students who have spouses or children, teachers, judges, lawyers, British people with non-British spouses, British citizens with even a claim of another citizenship, anyone who works from home, the RNLI, asylum seekers, anyone who thinks asylum seekers shouldn't be flown to Rwanda, anyone who claims disability benefits, anyone with mental health problems, trans people, anyone who thinks trans people should be able to live and exist as the gender they identify with, anyone who thinks human beings should be able to move from another part of the earth to the part of the earth between some imaginary set of lines we call the United Kingdom, anyone who ever signed off sick from work, anyone who believes they should have the right to protest against the government, anyone who thinks climate change is a fairly pressing issue and anyone who doesn't think sewage and shit should be poured into the sea,.

And as I said, he has the clear option open to him to stand in 2029 on a pro-EU platform (which is one thing you can’t accuse him of not standing for as he’s very clearly always believed we should be in the eu) and that’s why I don’t think he will be a one term PM nor will the Tories nor anyone else get anywhere near power in 2029. I’m not a massive Starmer fan either, but I just can’t see anyone challenging Labour’s power until the 2039 election with the demographic set up of the country, the Tories are done for a generation realistically.

But the millennials and gen z aren’t going to switch to Tories that’s the point, there’s been several pieces of published research showing unusual it is that neither generation is becoming more conservative as they grow older as the old adage suggests, mainly because they can’t afford housing or to have children. In fact millennials seem to be getting less small c conservative as they grow older often citing Brexit and no housing or opportunity as reasons. demographic polls and research strongly suggests they won’t switch back to the Tories after 1 election, they’d only switch to Lib Dem’s or greens and given how almost 80% of gen z and millennials say they’d vote to rejoin the eu if polled I think the promise of a 2nd referendum would easily sway them back if support is faltering.

Can’t see it. All the demographic data is on his side. Tories are finished for a generation imo. Much like how so many baby boomers will never vote Labour and still go on about Labour in the 1970s as the reason, I think you’ll find Tories are almost done for life with the Millennials generation now too, Brexit will see to that I think as all the polls from that generation show they feel like they had the opportunities swept from under them from the Tories. Plus Starmer always has Brexit to fall back on. Rejoining the EU is the overwhelmingly popular opinion in the under 70s in all polls now. The EU recent olive branch of freedom of movement to 18-30 year olds quickly rejected by the Tories was clearly aimed at Labour instead to say we’ll have you back knowing Starmer is a europhile and campaigned for a 2nd referendum. Feel like once Labour struggle with the mess they’ve been left with you’ll see them amping up the “Brexit has been a disaster” rhetoric in line for the 2029 campaign where a new referendum to rejoin the eu will be promised which will keep them pretty comfortably in power (and the referendum will likely pass comfortably too). Fully expect long terms EU residents in the UK to be given the vote on future GEs and referendums as part of the 2024 Labour manifesto like Commonwealth citizens who are long term residents have, you’ll have a couple of million extra voters very likely to vote Labour and to rejoin straight off the bat too.

Southampton haven’t been relegated that often though they were a top flight staple for decades.

Mandatory military service for the British army in Northern Ireland definitely doesn’t sound like a recipe for disaster.

Maddison and Barnes still scored plenty of goals. We went down because our defence was atrocious and Rodgers bizarrely continued to play a statue in goal. i dont think Lookman would’ve made much of a difference

I think that’s why Starmer has been avoiding the EU issue in this election although I expect he’ll make long term EU residents of the UK eligible to vote in future elections and referendums. In 12 months after things don’t improve, Starmer will start angling towards rejoining the EU in the 2029 election as that’s now the overwhelmingly popular opinion in polls. It’s also a concrete thing to pin future improvements on now everyone knows Brexit has been a failure

Yeah but it’s obvious from your posts you’re a die hard Tory or if not, even think they aren’t right wing enough, so of course you are pashing the “don’t vote” “they’re all the same” “everyone is too apathetic to vote” narrative.

Anyone who doesn’t vote Labour in England votes Tory by default though, you’re voting Tory by not voting Labour unless you’re in a constituency where someone else has a chance. Rightly or wrongly there is only one choice to force them out

Time to get rid of the nasty party for a generation.

Side point just for clarification, but my very uneducated understanding is our best but still well incomplete understanding of the universe in a that it is just random dice rolls of different probability at the quantum level and therefore the universe would be neither deterministic nor would we have libertarian free will (happy to be put right here as I’m no expert). As you say, my belief is that we are all just bags of meat and our brains just fire off neurons based on random rolls of dice of different probability based our dna (which itself came to be through an absurd number of dice rolls over billions of years) and our outside environment (which itself also came to be through an absurd number of dice rolls over billions of years). If you could turn back time 5 seconds to before you made a decision whether or not that decision could be made differently is one question but whether the human brain could somehow override its biology to *cause* that decision to be different and it’s not just a weighted dice of probability being rolled on how the quarks which make up your brain matter spin (and ultimately how the neurons in our brain fire) and therefore just being a different random occurrence is another.

Of course I understand that viewpoint from an emotional point of view but it implies humans have libertarian free will which I don’t believe they do. There are genuine cases where previously everyday people have committed heinous crimes that seemed to come from nowhere; then after they died they were found to have had brain tumours which pressed against their full frontal cortex and inhibited the chemical links to the emotional control part of their brain. I’m not sure how you can really account for that as I’m not convinced letting people like this rot in prison is a sign of a healthy modern society but maybe it’s collateral damage you just have to accept even if it’s an uncomfortable reality. Of course we should protect people in society from those who commit heinous crimes and prison seems to work better than other systems we e tried but it’s still far from perfect and how and what happens to them should be guided by our growing understanding of how the human brain works but it’s one of those things its impossible for politicians to actually discuss because it’s such an emotionally charged topic. I’m not advocating for change and certainly not advocating for Pitchfork’s release, but I am interested in general scientific-led discussions in this area because it’s been decades since they’ve been genuinely had in the public sphere and our understanding of the human brain has grown so much since then.

I’m conflicted. I’m still not convinced prison sentences in general aren’t barbaric and locking someone in a small area for the rest of their life just feels morally wrong regardless of what they’ve done and feels like a 19th century solution which feels archaic in the 21st century. I’m not sure if there are genuine alternatives though that aren’t even worse (like lobotomies and other immoral stuff they tried as alternatives to prison in the past). Feel like we haven’t really had any genuine public debate on the prison system since like the 1970s, so I’m genuinely interested in what alternatives people can offer in the 2020s, not advocating for anything, just genuinely interested at where the debate is.

Can we just give the chimpanzees a go at running Earth instead? Humans have clearly ****ed it.

Here’s an idea - the world’s biggest trading block is right on our doorstep and countries historically get a huge boost of up to 20% to their economy for the first few years. How about we try and join it?

Only feels like yesterday people were still talking about “the long peace” and “the end of history”. Feels like all that is the fantasy world of the 90s and 00s now.

I would like to agree with you, but it’s been working for about 10 years now. I don’t have faith that a large proportion of the population won’t still fall for it. I did laugh at his “the next 5 years will more dangerous than the last 30” though. Yeah, who do you think has been in government for the past 14 years sowing division anywhere they can to cause that?

Theresa May is not a centrist. She oversaw the deportation of people from green rush, she revoked the citizenship of people who’d lived in uk their whole life. Was a part of the home office that started the immigrant-scapegoating the Tories do now. She led the path towards hard Brexit when its been awful for the country and it still wasn’t enough for some Tories. We shouldn’t forget all that. I’m not a Corbynite but I’d be very disappointed if someone like May was allowed in the Labour Party

It’s not that. It was a Ukrainian girl and there were AI videos of her on channels of 300,000 subscribers making out her to say pro-Russia and China stuff she doesn’t believe in a language she doesn’t speak. It’s frightening stuff. here’s the article https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c25rre8ww57o.amp