Sampson

Thank **** Vardy is back in for Daka

Agree completely and said it many times on here that Population Ageing is the 2nd most important issue of our time and will continue to be the 2nd most important and impactful issue over the next 50 years only behind climate change. And so much conservative policy is secretly about trying to increase birth rates or trying to deflect away the issues of population ageing onto immigration or young people not working hard enough, because they can’t go after the pensions system as it’s their main voter base. Yet it seems to get virtually no coverage despite the fact many of the economic issues, problems with the nhs, the need for high levels of immigration and generational divides in our modern time all are direct results of population ageing and the fact the proportion of older people who take up the vast majority of state support is getting greater and greater compared to those of tax paying age.

Yep. Agree totally with both of you. She was a British citizen and born and raised in the UK. It’s washing our hands of a problem of our own culture’s creation. Saying she should be allowed back in the country isn’t saying she shouldn’t be punished. But stripping someone of their citizenship is banishment and strikes me as incredibly archaic and just strikes me as typical British exceptionalism. Let’s just say, I imagine the Venn diagram of crossover of people claiming it’s right she should be stripped of citizenship and those who would be livid if it was the other way round as you said is of high crossover. Also, it’s not just under British law we shouldn’t render someone stateless - it’s under international law and part of the Geneva convention.

Just saw this photo on facebook. Understatement of the century.

Vardy definitely was. Despite his first miss, he completely changed the game for the better when he came on and our attack looked so much more threatening with him breaking the lines and his movement looked so much sharper compared to Daka. Despite only playing about 25 minutes he was our best player by a mile.

Alvrighton and Drinkwater were both decent too and scored a couple each I think but understandably had to play second fiddle to Mahrez

I agree, I wasn't a massive fan of his last season and was a bit sceptical going into this season, but I'll be voting him POTY this season. He's won us more matches than any other player. Yet despite him getting all the numbers, he's almost become massively underrated by our fanbase this season, as they want to praise more consistent but less match-winning players like Winks or Vestergaard more (nothing wrong with praising those but there's a point where it swings too far the other way in terms of favouring consistency over match-winning moments).

If there’s little room for sentiment what’s the point of watching football? We’re pissing the league, no problem with Vardy starting against the crap teams at the bottom purely for sentimental reasons.

Think he’s injured

I’d be extremely surprised if that stat is genuinely true. We’re only 31 games into the season. He’s not going to have had the most passes in Championship history with 15 games to spare

Yes exactly and we’re on the same page here. I’ve already spent plenty of time on here baffled at how many people seemed to have had Maddison out as public enemy no.1 at the end of last season because of the missed penalty and the fluffed back pass in the run in when he and Barnes were just about out only 2 players who looked remotely like Premier League quality players last season. That was more my point - that the context of mistakes clearly matters but that context itself is mostly just luck when you get down to it.

I think he’s kind of right on this occasion though. Maddison gets slaughtered on here by many because he made a couple of mistakes in key games in the run in last season despite the fact he was clearly our best player over the season as a whole. The context is key but the context is also for the most part just the luck of where your mistakes do or don’t occur. On the opposite end of the spectrum you also have players like Leo Ulloa and Steve Claridge who are cult heroes because of 2 or 3 goals they scored in more important contexts. Im not saying it’s not natural or wrong but a lot of it just down luck of when these things occurred really. It is kind of lucky for Winks he made that mistake when it meant nothing in a standard league match when we’re already well clear and not on the last day as the mistake that cost us automatic promotion

Dunno about fixed but they have a budget of prize money they can give out so no doubt they make questions more/less difficult depending on how much prize money they have left to give out that series.

Gonna be appearance 450 today if he gets on the pitch, crazy stuff.

Vardy is on 449, Walsh on 450. There’s the updated appearance list on the history section of this website

Would kill the league I think. Without playoffs, about 80% of the league would have nothing to play for from about November and attendances would plummet.

There were people on here still saying Danny Ward was fine until like March time last year, was bizarre.

I think it’s also unrealistic though. A lot of the time those more intelligent than the role your in will leave quite quickly because it’s easier for them to find better jobs and sometimes the candidates just aren’t there during the hiring process:

Yeah this really. It sucks, but there just are certain industries where you can only book holidays off at a certain time else it could not only screech to a holt an entire industry that's important for sustaining a society but put people's lives in danger. Unfortunately any job where you're in care, health, tourism or service is inevitably going to be like this, there's no real way round it even if I have obvious sympathies for the workers.

Yes I realised that just have been the case after i posted

Were some of our favs genuinely booing him today? Edit: oh no wait I guess it was the Birmingham fans as he’s ex-Villa

Might get deleted as we can't have politics, but for me it's more about changing demographics than discussing ideology. Interesting studies showing there's a growing divide between men and women regarding the political opinions of those over 30. Up until recent years men and women generally had similar political opinions on average, but this seems to be changing. A new global gender divide is emerging (ft.com) .

I mean you’ve answered your own question there. King will be remembered because he’s our top scoring midfielder of all time and for his incredible achievement of winning all too 3 divisions with the same club. Something no other player will repeat. Albrighton will be remembered for scoring 2 of the biggest and most memorable goaks in the clubs history in our CL run and for playing over 300 times for the club. Those don’t get forgotten at all. Steve Walsh is a good example because in reality he had one good top flight season in 96/97 for us before becoming a more of a squad player under ONeill after that (and he was injured/not first choice even when he was fit in Little/McGhee’s PL season) and was largely just a very good second tier defender for us in his time here. He probably was not in the top 50 best players in the clubs history in terms of actual talent and ability but he gets remembered as a club legend due it his commitment, longevity and iconic moments vs Derby in a second tier playoff final (which wasn’t really a big thing to win in the context of our whole history). Izzet too was also never considered our best or most important player under O’Neill and got relegated twice, the 01-02 season he was especially awful and looked like he couldn’t be bothered and got lots of stick at the time, he only started to get called our most important player during the Micky Adams era where we weren’t even really good enough to be in the PL and we’re probably a weaker side than we are now, let alone than we were between 14-21. The reality it the poor performances get forgotten too and nostalgia builds players up. I don’t really buy the recency bias argument when we’re talking about comfortably the clubs most successful ever era. I personally think the opposite is true and people really overrate the Bloomfield and O’Neill era players in comparison to the 2014-21 players out of nostalgia and because they’ve forgotten all those average performances in favour of the good ones.

Thats not a very coherent argument though. You’re inventing a hierarchy and idea of respect that doesn’t exist and no one uses in real life. No one is “disrespected” by calling by calling an extremely influential and memorable figure a legend because they aren’t amongst the very very 2 or 3 most elite of memorable and influential figures, there’s never been a hierarchy or grouping involved in calling people “legend” or “cult hero”, they’re just terms used to indicate notoriety, they’ve never been used to mean terms of the absolute most elite level of notoriety. “Legend” has never been used as a way to indicate an elite group of people, it’s just about having fame, influence and notoriety. You don’t disrespect Beethoven by calling Giorgio Moroder, Sam Cooke or Woody Guthrie a musical legend because they aren’t in the same category of musical and cultural influence and innovation as Beethoven. You don’t disrespect Pele, Maradona or Messi by calling Michel Platini or Zico footballing legends because they aren’t in the same group of level of footballer. King and Albrighton are objectively and unquestionably amongst the most notorious and memorable players in the clubs history, just because they’re not Vardy or Arthur Chandler doesn’t make them not a legend, and neither is it disrespectful to Vardy or Chandler in calling them that.

Agree about world class, not legends though and think Finnegan is usually a reasonable poster, but he's definitely on the unreasonable side of the argument here. World class means that someone is in the best "class" of player in the world. That definitely gets overused and used on players who it shouldn't be, like when some of our fans used to try and argue Tielemans was world class despite him probably never being in the top 30 midfielders in the world and clearly never anywhere near the same class as someone like de Bruyne. "Legend" just means someone who extremely famous and notorious, of course in the context of the club and therefore a "club legend" is someone who is extremely famous, notorious and associated with the club in a positive way. Of course King and Albrighton fall into that category, both will be incredibly well remembered and revered by fans for decades to come. I think Football Manager has caused people to want to gatekeep that term since it brought it in on the club information screen and created a "hierarchy" between legend, icons and favoured personell that was never used previously in the context of football and was just used for a few people so it wasn't so cluttered and you could have your own players in game on there and feel more special, and was created for computer game mechanic purposes so you had some hierarchy your players could build up on. No one ever used to be so snooty and gatekeepy about the term “club legend” until football manager introduced those computer game mechanics, the idea of "club legend" being the select group of only the very highest 2 or 3 people associated with a club (like people who get stands named after them for example) in a hierarchy only exists on Football Manager for computer game mechanic purposes and the term simply has never been used that way to indicate an elite 2 or 3 people associated with a club irl, neither does it really fit the context of how the word "legend" gets used, like there are hundreds if not thousands of people who society at large would be recognised as "a legend of music", it's not just Mozart, Beethoven, Elvis and the Beatles and no one else. I mean Richard Wagner, Franz Liszt, Woody Guthrie, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Sam Cooke, Aretha Franklin, Nirvana, Public Enemy, Giorgio Moroder, David Bowie, Dean Martin and hundreds if not thousands of others are clearly musical legends, even if they aren’t in the same class of cultural and musical influence as Beethoven and the Beatles