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The 2015 Sunday Times Rich List

By davieG, in General Chat

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In general terms achieving wealth requires hard work, dedication, intelligence, people skills, problem solving skills etc etc.

 

Exactly how I achieved my wealth

 

I disagree. I think hitting a level of sufficiency that is enough for you to not be too unconsensually reliant on others and then being content with your lot is just as laudable as high drive and ambition. Both seem to bring happiness to the individuals involved, and perhaps that restraint can lead to greater sustainability in the future. 

 

Honestly don't see why we should prize one over the other.

 

 

Then gave a lot of wealth up to live a happy life contributing to society/community whilst not taking benefits from the state. 

 

I think I could be the poster boy for both you and Moose - though clearly I'm not - I wonder where I went wrong :) .

 

Of course on top of that I'm a lifelong diehard City fan. What more can you people want?

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Honestly, since you've asked, it's probably because you come across as quite bitter and lonely, and I doubt either of us want to end up a bitter and lonely 75-year-old. Might be completely wrong of course and you might be a vibrant uplifting chap, but you don't come across like that on here.

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Honestly, since you've asked, it's probably because you come across as quite bitter and lonely, and I doubt either of us want to end up a bitter and lonely 75-year-old. Might be completely wrong of course and you might be a vibrant uplifting chap, but you don't come across like that on here.

 

Must be the consequences of being a thatcher posterboy.

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My brother co-owned a hotel for a few years. He had a manager in charge who was also a friend. He had hoped that he could be left in charge while he stayed at home with his family, going for walks or playing golf. But he was kept being called out to fix a computer or some other problem so he  decided he did not need a manager if he was there himself.

He eventually had an offer from a chain of hotels and sold out and used the money to relax a little more. He likes money and making it but is not greedy with it or boastful. He is retired  now. When his missus does the shopping it is still somewhere like Asda or Sainsbury's and she looks for the bargins and unbranded stuff. He has worked hard to acheive what he has but is not mega rich. He has a teachers pension and his savings but says that is drindling away and it will be either him or his savings that will go first which at that point he will be on a state pension. He has a reasonable life and believes in not just saving and not having a life so takes 2/3 holidays a year, has been many countries and had a full life. He could have saved his money bought expensive jewellry shopped at Harrods etc but he never was into that sort of thing or wanted aquaintances that goes with it. He is just a normal guy from a working class background who was able through his own efforts to move on.

He also does not care for politicians and does not believe everything that comes from the mainstream media. I am not even sure which side of the political line he stands. He is not a fan of the present government or Labour.

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I genuinely don't get people's obsession with money for money's sake. The main reason I work for myself is so that I can strike a precise balance between work and life. I could probably be moderately wealthy if I worked longer hours, but for me, time (and good health) is the most precious of commodities: time to spend with my famiily, time to walk in the countryside, time to read a book or listen to music, time to work on my novel; hell, time to talk bollox on foxestalk, if I choose. So I work hard enough to put food on the table, to keep a roof over our heads, put clothes on our backs, to take a couple of holidays a year. And I'm happy with my life - that's real wealth.

I don't envy those who spend their lives relentlessly pursuing money - I pity them.

 

Who are these people though, I've never met them.

 

I know a handful of rich people and they all do really enjoy their lives, soon as you have made your money you don't tend to spend your time chasing more of it, you pay someone else to do that for you and you spend your time travelling the World, that's certainly how the guys I know seem to do it.

 

Money isn't everything of course, but it bloody helps, it's absolutely fantastic if you are stressed out just to be able to drop everything, hand it over to someone for a few weeks and nip off to a beach in Barbados to recharge your batteries, anyone who says they wouldn't want that option probably isn't telling the truth.

 

And Ken, the ones who do that certainly aren't the real losers.

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Who are these people though, I've never met them.

I know a handful of rich people and they all do really enjoy their lives, soon as you have made your money you don't tend to spend your time chasing more of it, you pay someone else to do that for you and you spend your time travelling the World, that's certainly how the guys I know seem to do it.

Money isn't everything of course, but it bloody helps, it's absolutely fantastic if you are stressed out just to be able to drop everything, hand it over to someone for a few weeks and nip off to a beach in Barbados to recharge your batteries, anyone who says they wouldn't want that option probably isn't telling the truth.

And Ken, the ones who do that certainly aren't the real losers.

Who are these people though, I've never met them.

To give just one example, Matt, I read an interview with Gene Simmonds (of the rock band, Kiss) a week or two ago.

His wealth was estimated to be around £300 million, yet, at the age of 65, he 'lives to make more money'. He spends 7 days a week working on various business ventures, doesn't even take time off for Xmas, never has holidays. I think that is sad.

I think anyone who continues working to make more money (and you're kidding yourself if you can't think of any: Branson? Cowell? City's owners?) when they have more than they could possibly spend, is wasting their limited time on this Earth.

Of course, it's only my personal philosophy, and I don't begrudge them doing it - it's their lives, after all - but I just don't get why they would. Surely the pursuit of money in the first place is driven by the desire to have a better life: if you already have a billion pounds, how much better can your life get for having 2 billion?

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I genuinely don't get people's obsession with money for money's sake. The main reason I work for myself is so that I can strike a precise balance between work and life. I could probably be moderately wealthy if I worked longer hours, but for me, time (and good health) is the most precious of commodities: time to spend with my famiily, time to walk in the countryside, time to read a book or listen to music, time to work on my novel; hell, time to talk bollox on foxestalk, if I choose. So I work hard enough to put food on the table, to keep a roof over our heads, put clothes on our backs, to take a couple of holidays a year. And I'm happy with my life - that's real wealth.

I don't envy those who spend their lives relentlessly pursuing money - I pity them.

As a dad of two I agree with that, my family could earn much more but we chose to find a balance, for a more fulfilling life.

I would like a bit more but not at a greater cost, if that makes sense.

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To give just one example, Matt, I read an interview with Gene Simmonds (of the rock band, Kiss) a week or two ago.

His wealth was estimated to be around £300 million, yet, at the age of 65, he 'lives to make more money'. He spends 7 days a week working on various business ventures, doesn't even take time off for Xmas, never has holidays. I think that is sad.

I think anyone who continues working to make more money (and you're kidding yourself if you can't think of any: Branson? Cowell? City's owners?) when they have more than they could possibly spend, is wasting their limited time on this Earth.

Of course, it's only my personal philosophy, and I don't begrudge them doing it - it's their lives, after all - but I just don't get why they would. Surely the pursuit of money in the first place is driven by the desire to have a better life: if you already have a billion pounds, how much better can your life get for having 2 billion?

 

Gene Simmons has found the time bone 5,000 birds so I doubt he's always chasing money rather than enjoying himself. Also the last time I saw him was at the NFL 2 years back at the pre game VIP party, I can assure you he wasn't working then apart from being paid £50k to play the guitar for 90 seconds, I think his definition of 'working' my be different to the one me and you have.

 

Do you not see how the lifestyles of Branson and Cowell? The latter in on a beach in LA for 6 months of the year, Branson barely spends any time in a boardroom from what I see, just asks to be questioned on huge decisions and in between that spends his time living in whichever mansion he owns that is nearest to in the sunshine. You don't think these people have their laptops out at 9pm do you searching for the next £1,000 they can make do you?

 

There is working for a living and there is 'working'.

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Gene Simmons has found the time bone 5,000 birds so I doubt he's always chasing money rather than enjoying himself. Also the last time I saw him was at the NFL 2 years back at the pre game VIP party, I can assure you he wasn't working then apart from being paid £50k to play the guitar for 90 seconds, I think his definition of 'working' my be different to the one me and you have.

Do you not see how the lifestyles of Branson and Cowell? The latter in on a beach in LA for 6 months of the year, Branson barely spends any time in a boardroom from what I see, just asks to be questioned on huge decisions and in between that spends his time living in whichever mansion he owns that is nearest to in the sunshine. You don't think these people have their laptops out at 9pm do you searching for the next £1,000 they can make do you?

There is working for a living and there is 'working'.

From the horse's mouth:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32301157

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Branson lives on a tropical island doesn't he? One that he owns in its entirety I believe.

 

Pretty much, probably goes on Skype on the beach if a big decision needs to be made to advise, don't know why he does it. He's the loser in life.

 

To add to Gene Simmons when I saw him 'working' -  he was drinking from a bottle of Yamazaki whilst being straddled by about 4 scantily clad women, completely ignoring them. He's the loser in life.

 

Are you sure that article isn't a pisstake? He was drinking what looked very suspiciously like a bottle of whisky when I saw him.

 

edit: He clearly wasn't then, I had no idea he was a teetotaller.

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All it says to me is that you can enjoy your life whether you have money or not. A relatively wealthy person I met said he feels money is an "enabler" but that you won't enjoy life just through having money. I think society would be a pleasant place if people didn't attack each other personally and were willing listen to others viewpoints.

 

The wealthy people I know just do what they enjoy in life and you wouldn't know they were wealthy when you see them in Sainsbury's or driving around in a 10 year old Subaru, or enjoying a pint at their local.

 

It makes sense really when you consider the pyramid theory of economic needs that essentially says you get an ever decreasing increase in quality of life from extra wealth. This means that from the perspective of maximising quality of life, a more even wealth distribution is superior for a given level of economic activity.

 

Add to that, many quality of life indicators have nothing to do with individual wealth anyway.

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Pretty much, probably goes on Skype on the beach if a big decision needs to be made to advise, don't know why he does it. He's the loser in life.

 

To add to Gene Simmons when I saw him 'working' -  he was drinking from a bottle of Yamazaki whilst being straddled by about 4 scantily clad women, completely ignoring them. He's the loser in life.

 

Are you sure that article isn't a pisstake? He was drinking what looked very suspiciously like a bottle of whisky when I saw him.

 

edit: He clearly wasn't then, I had no idea he was a teetotaller.

 

He was probably worried you'd call him a loser.

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