Railway strikes?

[Parafox]

4 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Asking for something specific and the reaction of other employees is so strange when it's a benefit for all of us.

 

What specific?

What reaction?

Is there a reason?

[Leicester_Loyal]

Offer virtually the same.

One of the sticking points, NRs ability to change your roster up to 2 hours with 48 hours notice.

As an example, Friday night, meant to be working 22:00-06:00, manager can email/text/ring you Wednesday evening and tell you you're now working 20:00-04:00 or 00:00-08:00, off to the cinema with the kids at 17:00, out for a meal with the family at 18:00, got any other plans? Tough. Meant to pick your kids up from school at 15:00, you're on 06:00-14:00, but it's now changed to 08:00-16:00. Nothing you can do except drop them all and agree to the forced roster change. How can you plan your life around that?

 

 

Stuck this on another forum I'm on and was to join the rest of the population and it seems perfectly reasonable for an employer to be able to do that. Maybe I'm out of touch but that seems absolutely mental to me.

[kenny]

23 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Offer virtually the same.

One of the sticking points, NRs ability to change your roster up to 2 hours with 48 hours notice.

As an example, Friday night, meant to be working 22:00-06:00, manager can email/text/ring you Wednesday evening and tell you you're now working 20:00-04:00 or 00:00-08:00, off to the cinema with the kids at 17:00, out for a meal with the family at 18:00, got any other plans? Tough. Meant to pick your kids up from school at 15:00, you're on 06:00-14:00, but it's now changed to 08:00-16:00. Nothing you can do except drop them all and agree to the forced roster change. How can you plan your life around that?

 

 

Stuck this on another forum I'm on and was to join the rest of the population and it seems perfectly reasonable for an employer to be able to do that. Maybe I'm out of touch but that seems absolutely mental to me.

Most employers would struggle to expect staff to make shift changes at that kind of notice regularly.

 

I don't support the strikes but that is unreasonable.

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 minutes ago, kenny said:

Most employers would struggle to expect staff to make shift changes at that kind of notice regularly.

 

I don't support the strikes but that is unreasonable.

They've said it'll be a maximum of 10% of shifts per roster, so 3 or 4 shifts every 6 weeks or 7 or 8 shifts every 13 weeks (roughly, will depend on what roster you work to)

[Guest worth_the_wait]

3 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Offer virtually the same.

One of the sticking points, NRs ability to change your roster up to 2 hours with 48 hours notice.

As an example, Friday night, meant to be working 22:00-06:00, manager can email/text/ring you Wednesday evening and tell you you're now working 20:00-04:00 or 00:00-08:00, off to the cinema with the kids at 17:00, out for a meal with the family at 18:00, got any other plans? Tough. Meant to pick your kids up from school at 15:00, you're on 06:00-14:00, but it's now changed to 08:00-16:00. Nothing you can do except drop them all and agree to the forced roster change. How can you plan your life around that?

 

Stuck this on another forum I'm on and was to join the rest of the population and it seems perfectly reasonable for an employer to be able to do that. Maybe I'm out of touch but that seems absolutely mental to me.

Without being flippant ... it's the job.   And if it's that much of a problem, then do something different!

 

Most well-paid jobs have a downside ... and that's usually the employer having some call over your personal time.

 

I worked in a job, that was normally flexible-ish office hours.  But if there was a problem, it had to be fixed.   There and then, no advance warning.   And if it was a big problem, you could be in all night fixing it.   That was fairly rare, but I always knew there was a chance I'd have to stay later than I had intended, and that anything pre-arranged would just have to be postponed.

 

That was the job.   If it had bothered me that much, I would have changed jobs and done something with less demands, but also probably less financially rewarding.

 

 

[FoxesDeb]

3 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Offer virtually the same.

One of the sticking points, NRs ability to change your roster up to 2 hours with 48 hours notice.

As an example, Friday night, meant to be working 22:00-06:00, manager can email/text/ring you Wednesday evening and tell you you're now working 20:00-04:00 or 00:00-08:00, off to the cinema with the kids at 17:00, out for a meal with the family at 18:00, got any other plans? Tough. Meant to pick your kids up from school at 15:00, you're on 06:00-14:00, but it's now changed to 08:00-16:00. Nothing you can do except drop them all and agree to the forced roster change. How can you plan your life around that?

 

 

Stuck this on another forum I'm on and was to join the rest of the population and it seems perfectly reasonable for an employer to be able to do that. Maybe I'm out of touch but that seems absolutely mental to me.

48 hours notice is enough time to change your plans I would have thought? 

[Foxdiamond]

23 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

Without being flippant ... it's the job.   And if it's that much of a problem, then do something different!

 

Most well-paid jobs have a downside ... and that's usually the employer having some call over your personal time.

 

I worked in a job, that was normally flexible-ish office hours.  But if there was a problem, it had to be fixed.   There and then, no advance warning.   And if it was a big problem, you could be in all night fixing it.   That was fairly rare, but I always knew there was a chance I'd have to stay later than I had intended, and that anything pre-arranged would just have to be postponed.

 

That was the job.   If it had bothered me that much, I would have changed jobs and done something with less demands, but also probably less financially rewarding.

 

 

I don't blame unions not wanting to change work practices without agreement or compensation. Just because another set of workers put up with it or more likely can't do anything about it does not mean you should. The like it or lump it approach is leading to more and more exploitation in the workplace. 

[grobyfox1990]

33 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said:

Without being flippant ... it's the job.   And if it's that much of a problem, then do something different!

 

Most well-paid jobs have a downside ... and that's usually the employer having some call over your personal time.

 

I worked in a job, that was normally flexible-ish office hours.  But if there was a problem, it had to be fixed.   There and then, no advance warning.   And if it was a big problem, you could be in all night fixing it.   That was fairly rare, but I always knew there was a chance I'd have to stay later than I had intended, and that anything pre-arranged would just have to be postponed.

 

That was the job.   If it had bothered me that much, I would have changed jobs and done something with less demands, but also probably less financially rewarding.

 

 

But what Leicester loyal is describing is different. There’s zero flexibility. I also often have to work outside of my contracted hours, late at night, early morning or weekends, it’s a global role. But if something is going on in my life that will take precedence, I do still go to badminton every Thursday night and if there’s work to do I’ll work until 2am. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

2 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

48 hours notice is enough time to change your plans I would have thought? 

It doesn’t really affect me so much, it’s the childcare and stuff for the other lads where the issues are. For myself it’d just be football or a meal out, but if I’d shelled out £70 or something I wouldn’t be happy. 
 

2 hours ago, worth_the_wait said:

Without being flippant ... it's the job.   And if it's that much of a problem, then do something different!

 

Most well-paid jobs have a downside ... and that's usually the employer having some call over your personal time.

 

I worked in a job, that was normally flexible-ish office hours.  But if there was a problem, it had to be fixed.   There and then, no advance warning.   And if it was a big problem, you could be in all night fixing it.   That was fairly rare, but I always knew there was a chance I'd have to stay later than I had intended, and that anything pre-arranged would just have to be postponed.

 

That was the job.   If it had bothered me that much, I would have changed jobs and done something with less demands, but also probably less financially rewarding.

 

 

It wasn’t the job when we signed up for it though, hence the issue. 
 

We always stay over if there is an issue causing delays, but this is changing shift times not staying over. 
 

It’s being fought anyway, I was just wondering how common it was, never known anyone in factories or any sort of manual labour job where it’s done, IT or something like that then yeah. 
 

Some areas of the railway are definitely not well paid, some are though I accept that.