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Posted
18 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

This is what drives me absolutely insane about diverging from the Maresca shape, especially given all of the claims to be "not changing anything" and wanting to ultimately play the same way. 

 

Last year's formation already enabled us to drop in to a solid 4-5-1 block if we really wanted to. 

 

Mavididi and Fatawu are both hard working wingers who graft defensively with impressive defensive numbers, you had Ndidi (or Skipp I guess now?) dropping in to sure up the midfield alongside Winks and you have a well established back four made up of English, Danish, Belgian and Portuguese internationals. 

 

It's not exactly flimsy. 

 

The thing I absolutely loved the best about last year's shape is that it could be anything you wanted it to be. Allowed us to be both defensive or progressive, passive or aggressive. 

 

That shape also got found out in the second half of the season. Teams worked out how to play against us.

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Viva said:

That shape also got found out in the second half of the season. Teams worked out how to play against us.

 

i mean it didn't though? what happened was everyone doubled up on Mav and Fatawu, leaving loads of room for the CMs at the same time that wilf and Praet got injured and Casadei got recalled, leaving us with just KDH and Winks as the CMs available. yea we lost more but cov - 10 men for half a game. Middlesbrough, Plymouth and Leeds we missed a ton of sitters, even Millwall to an extent. the ones you can say we deservedly lost on performances are QPR (played poorly) and Blackburn (final day of the season, nothing to play for and everyone half cut). we came up against an injury crisis in a key position and still looked absolutely fine.

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Posted
Just now, The Doctor said:

i mean it didn't though? what happened was everyone doubled up on Mav and Fatawu, leaving loads of room for the CMs at the same time that wilf and Praet got injured and Casadei got recalled, leaving us with just KDH and Winks as the CMs available. yea we lost more but cov - 10 men for half a game. Middlesbrough, Plymouth and Leeds we missed a ton of sitters, even Millwall to an extent. the ones you can say we deservedly lost on performances are QPR (played poorly) and Blackburn (final day of the season, nothing to play for and everyone half cut). we came up against an injury crisis in a key position and still looked absolutely fine.

You’ve got a short memory! We deserved not to win plenty of those matches. 
We stole the win against WBA too. 
Mavididi had a poor second half to the season too, so can understand why he’s not a certain starter for us. 

Posted
11 minutes ago, Viva said:

You’ve got a short memory! We deserved not to win plenty of those matches. 
We stole the win against WBA too. 
Mavididi had a poor second half to the season too, so can understand why he’s not a certain starter for us. 

which ones? definitely not Leeds where we absolutely battered them, and had a goal wrongly disallowed that would have made it 2 while they were desperately hanging on. Plymouth, the literal definition of a smash and grab (xG was 1.6-0.2 in our favour). Middlesbrough again a smash and grab (2.1-1.0 in our favour). Millwall again, 0.9-0.5 in our favour, draw would have been a fair reflection of the pattern of that game. so we arrive at Coventry, where we had the mitigating circumstances of playing with 10 for a half, and QPR/Blackburn, which I already said we deservedly lost.

Posted
6 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

which ones? definitely not Leeds where we absolutely battered them, and had a goal wrongly disallowed that would have made it 2 while they were desperately hanging on. Plymouth, the literal definition of a smash and grab (xG was 1.6-0.2 in our favour). Middlesbrough again a smash and grab (2.1-1.0 in our favour). Millwall again, 0.9-0.5 in our favour, draw would have been a fair reflection of the pattern of that game. so we arrive at Coventry, where we had the mitigating circumstances of playing with 10 for a half, and QPR/Blackburn, which I already said we deservedly lost.

We deserved to beat Leeds and I thought it was comfortably our best performance of the season. We were superb for 80 odd minutes. 
xG doesn’t tell you the whole story. You get a feel for matches and whether we did enough to win them. I don’t think we did enough to win the Boro, Bristol City, QPR, Millwall or Plymouth matches. Yes on another day we could have won them, but we wasn’t unlucky to lose them. We didn’t do enough and teams were playing better against our system than earlier in the season. 
 

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Posted

Copied and pasted this from striders tactics post, suggestion by @davieG

 

Imo our best starting line up.....
  4 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Might be worth a thread in its own, but what is our strongest starting line up? We all seem to be adamant that Cooper is wrong. But I doubt we all consider others' versions correct either. I think my 'strongest', balanced line up wouldn't have many takers tbh; 

 

Mads 

 

JJ or Ricky (dependent on form) 

VK

Faes or Vesty (again on depends form and oppo) 

Okoli 

 

Winks and Skipp

 

Abdul, Wilf, Mavididi 

 

Buonnotte as a false 9

 

....McAteer, Hamza, Ayew, Vards, Iversen, Bilal plus 2 of above on bench

Posted (edited)

Mads

Ricardo(Justin) Faes Okoli Justin(VK)

Skipp Winks(Ndidi)

Fatuwu Benuonotti Mavidi

Vardy(Eduard)

 

best team imo without brackets. Brackets are what I think would be ok still. Anyone not included I think weakens us in a bad way. So no Coady, Vestergard, BDR, Ayew, El K, Hamza.

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Posted
4 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Mads

Ricardo(Justin) Faes Okoli Justin(VK)

Skipp Winks(Ndidi)

Fatuwu Benuonotti Mavidi

Vardy(Eduard)

 

best team imo without brackets. Brackets are what I think would be ok still. Anyone not included I think weakens us in a bad way. So no Coady, Vestergard, BDR, Ayew, El K, Hamza.

I think that will be most people's first choice 11. With a bench that can effect the final parts of the match. Seeing out a lead or pushing on for an equaliser 

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