Dames Posted 26 April Posted 26 April (edited) 7 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Honestly it crazy people are still defending him, shouldn't have even got an interview. If we’d have had competent ownership he wouldn't have even got one but the problem is any decent manager at the time didn’t want to be anywhere near us because of PSR. It’s going to be a long few years now. Edited 26 April by Dames
murphy Posted 26 April Posted 26 April 9 hours ago, J. James said: A saying l love is "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." (Mark Twain) In managerial terms we will never know for sure if Cooper would have kept us up - very unlikely with our useless players and hapless board, but van Rooney is definitely the fool who opened his mouth! Regardless of who is worse between two awful managers and I think that Ruud takes it, we have to be aware that at the time of Cooper's sacking we were ahead of wolves and palace who now sit on 41 and 45 points respectively. The first club outside of the bottom 3 have double our point tally on 36. Neither of our two managers gets anywhere close to survival. 1
TheGoldenGod Posted 26 April Posted 26 April Just now, murphy said: Regardless of who is worse between two awful managers and I think that Ruud takes it, we have to be aware that at the time of Cooper's sacking we were ahead of wolves and palace who now sit on 41 and 45 points respectively. The first club outside of the bottom 3 have double our point tally on 36. Neither of our two managers gets anywhere close to survival. Am I in some sort of groundhog day timeloop? How many times do people have to say this before the cooper apologists get it through their skulls? Disband this thread FFS. 3
FrankieADZ Posted 26 April Posted 26 April 11 minutes ago, murphy said: Regardless of who is worse between two awful managers and I think that Ruud takes it, we have to be aware that at the time of Cooper's sacking we were ahead of wolves and palace who now sit on 41 and 45 points respectively. The first club outside of the bottom 3 have double our point tally on 36. Neither of our two managers gets anywhere close to survival. look back at the results Cooper got at the time before he got sacked and the performances, be right we was lucky to win against Bournemouth and Southampton, to get points against Everton and Spurs etc, and even then he had a full strength squad to chose from as well, and didint make use of it, fatawu, Ricardo etc people need to wake up and use their eyes, we was screwed either way, Cooper wouldnt have saved us, RVN hasnt all it shows is the incredible mismanagement from the club as a whole 1
Legend_in_blue Posted 26 April Posted 26 April 1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said: look back at the results Cooper got at the time before he got sacked and the performances, be right we was lucky to win against Bournemouth and Southampton, to get points against Everton and Spurs etc, and even then he had a full strength squad to chose from as well, and didint make use of it, fatawu, Ricardo etc people need to wake up and use their eyes, we was screwed either way, Cooper wouldnt have saved us, RVN hasnt all it shows is the incredible mismanagement from the club as a whole Completely agree. Cooper set the ball rolling and brought in players that made the squad actively worse than it was the season before. Instead of picking the best players, he then started OAP BDCR ahead of Fatawu and froze out Ricardo from the get go. Shocking. Just because he achieved a better set of results statistically, doesn't make him any better than RVN either. Both managers have been equally as bad but ultimately, the mess above the managers has led to the situation we are in now, regardless of who was/is in charge of the football on the pitch. Also remember many of Coopers inadequate coaching team were still in place for weeks after RVN joined. Again, a complete mismanagement of the setup from the get go. Who in their right mind appoints a new, unproven manager without bringing in their own staff in the first place? And if RVN didn't have any, then why appoint him at all? The manager gets a lot of stick but the people above him have been exponentially worse this season.
J. James Posted Saturday at 22:53 Posted Saturday at 22:53 It's almost certain that Cooper wouldn't have kept us up ( or prime Ferguson for that matter), but... Cast your minds back to the end of march 2015, big Nige could easily have been binned (and with our present owner almost certainly would have been). And history would have been so different. On such decisions the fortunes of clubs and the dreams of fans balance on a knife edge.
Tielemans63 Posted Saturday at 23:05 Posted Saturday at 23:05 Cooper was a terrible choice and a really poor manager. RvN is an even worse choice and a desperately poor manager. I'm not sure what there is to argue about? Both disastrous choices by Top and Teflon John 1 1
HybridFox Posted Sunday at 00:10 Posted Sunday at 00:10 (edited) If we didn't sack Cooper we'd be top of the league (You'd think by speaking to Forest fans) Edited Sunday at 00:10 by HybridFox
fox_favourite Posted Sunday at 00:17 Posted Sunday at 00:17 Close this thread, for everyone's sake. Cooper was lucky to get 2 wins and we should have lost both, preseason was awful and we looked terrible then, he left out Fatawu and Ricardo two of our best players, we leaked goals down the right as JJ was asked to be a RB and RW and ARW all at the same time. We were 16th but everyone below us picked up form so it was a false position. The guy was a lemon but RvN is a baked bean left on the floor. Both stupid appointments by a board with -10000000000 football knowledge. So please for love of Kasper, close this thread and don't listen to other fans. 1
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