For those of you who are not sure whether you want Levein to stay or go!

[Guest]

It's got nothing to do with promotion Lisa.

At the start of the season I would have settled for a mid-table finish this season, hope to build on that and push for promotion next season.

Most people are not being that realistic, Allen. This division is very tight. If we had a decent run over Xmas, we could end up mid-table anyway, but would people be any happier? I think not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm neither in "Inner" or an "Outer". I've seen enough to know that things have improved, but we are not getting results, and this concerns me greatly. I don't like to see us hovvering over the relegation zone.

If we got rid of CL, and someone came in and waved a magic wand and the results improved, fair enough. But how often does that happen? And there isn't anyone out there that I feel would be any improvement on what we've got, certainly within our budget. If someone can prove me wrong, please feel free.

[Head Honcho]

Savage cost us £250k i'm sure of it.

I just took it from the norfox transfer tracker but not gonna argue over 150k

[l444ry]

Have you gone mad? Where did I say it was bad business I merely stated that it wasn't the case that O'Neill didn't have any money to spend. O'Neill was a legend in the transfer market but he did have cash to spend at Leicester.

Grayson and Roberts were both sold after we were promoted, that's also why I didn't mention the money we paid for Izzet and Savage who both signed after we were promoted.

I also don't recall Whitlow going for £700k and Savage only cost us £250k by the way.

Perhaps you should elaborate a little more when you post Ric. Came across that way. My fault.

O.K. we can split hairs over the 6 month time lapse that it took Martin to get us promoted if you like. Just delete Izzet and Savage and substitute Corica (£1m). The point is just the same. Martin still had to generate his own funds to get us started.

[Ric Flair]

Perhaps you should elaborate a little more when you post Ric. Came across that way. My fault.

O.K. we can split hairs over the 6 month time lapse that it took Martin to get us promoted if you like. Just delete Izzet and Savage and substitute Corica (£1m). The point is just the same. Martin still had to generate his own funds to get us started.

Very true, I forgot about Corica.

[l444ry]

I just took it from the norfox transfer tracker but not gonna argue over 150k

As a point of interest, the "where are they now" link on this site has Savage fee at £400k. But, as you say, What's £150k in the greater scheme of things?

[Gené and Tonic]

I think it is clear the Levein isn't as good as O'Neill. He was probably our best manager ever, someone else isn't going to come in and do a better job than him. However, I do believe Levein isn't doing a good job. If we're still in this position by the end of Feb, then I will be calling for his head. There are better managers out there that would maybe consider us (Tilson, Burley, Allen), but for now, we're stuck with hm.

[no_ 1_ city_ fan]

For all you people undecided on whether Craig should stay or go, just ponder this!! and then decide for yourself, and please be honest.

Craig knew that we had a striking problem the day he took over. Connolly was'nt scoring and Scowcroft was being pushed up front but without fruition. Mr De Vries was well he was Mr De Vries!!

So Craig knew from this moment that even if Connoly was to say with the club for this season as the main striker that we needed at least two new strickers to attempt solve our problem up front. One striker to link up with with Connolly i.e a Target man and also a quality sriker to have on the bench for competitionainjury cover.

Baring in mind Mr Levein had nearly the whole of last season and the pre-season to find a solution to this problem he was wasting money on left backs,dodgy goalkeepers and suspect midfielders.

A week before this season started and we has still failed to secure 1 striker let alone 2!!

Finally the striker arrived - Elvis Hammond an unproven goalscorer who had never scored in English Football!

For the record I have nothing against Elvis but likewise I had nothing against Trevor Benjamin but the point is we needed a proven goalscorer whether at Championship Level or First Division Level. Sadly Elvis is none of these.

Surely if the budgets were that tight Craig should have resisted th temptation to buy left backs from Plymouth etc ans should have saved most of his budget for at least 1 proven goalscorer!!

Various commentators come on the radio and say that strikers don't grow on trees. I agree!! But my argument to this is that the quality of football within the championship is that poor and I mean poor that with at least 8 months lead time Craig FAILED to provide any kind of a solution to our striking problems.

At the time of writing moving into the second half of the season the above mistake is costing us dearly!!

We have one centre forward fit to wear the Leicester shirt - Hume!! Absolute quality anybody who knows anything about football knows that this kid has got something special!!

As for the rest.....

Hammond - Not good enough at this stage through no fault of his own. Should be used as sub\squad player

De Vries - His goals this season flatter him -possibly the worst striker(Target Man) I have viewed in a Leicester shirt - Should not even make subs bench! send him back to Scotland please!!

Dublin - Not good enough, Has been most consitant player in defence but once again his goals ratio when playing up front has not been good enough to command a regular start up front.

So there we have it all this time on and in my and many fans opinon we have 1 striker fit to wear the shirt!!

So for all those fans on the fence do you really think that we can have any confidence in a manager who that has failed so miserably to improve our striking problems???

I will leave it for you to decide!!

TruFox!!

i agree that hume is the only decent leicester striker worthy of the leicester shirt he is absoulte quality.

dion is too old and couldnt care less bout what happens.

mdv complete rubbish but pleased that hes scored this season.

hammond we no hes not a regular goal scorer if not at all. but hes improving wiv evey game. him and hume are definately leicesters best strikers at the moment but hopefully cl can pull his finger out and buy a good quality forward worthy of playing premiership football maybe. the one strike partnership i wud av luved to av seen this season connolly and hume wiv them 2 up front we cud av been in a play off place.

[BartonFox]

It's absolutely amazing just how ignorant of the situation people actually are, Lisa has pointed it out perfectly about 3 times on this thread already.

Go out and buy a striker just like that!!!!! Just because it is that simple on Football Manager 2000 and whatever doesn't mean it happens that way in real life.

Only one official league table is published and that is the one after all the games have been played and as long as this Club is in this division, which it will be, then we have a safe future. All those shouting for a taxi for Levein, who do you think could come in a do a better job? I mean realistic targets.

I despair at the amount of so called fans who are actually willing Levein, Douglas, Sylla, Hamill, Kisnorbo and de Vries to fail, with all their poxy misconceptions about Scottish football and the SPL. If I was a player and read these sites or listened to the radio I wouldn't want to play for half the morons that claim to be supporters.

We got lucky for 5 years when MON was in charge now we are back to where this Club has been, a top 2 division Club with some good seasons and some bad seasons. The difference now is there is a manager in place who has a clear blueprint on how to make us a top division team as a matter of course.

Of course we can bin him and return to the good old days of Taylor or Bassett or Adams or Bassett and Wilkinson and just plunge in to oblivion all together. But then I suppose that would make most of our 'fans' happy as they like nothing more than to moan and complain.

Merry bloody Christmas <_<

[Head Honcho]

It's absolutely amazing just how ignorant of the situation people actually are, Lisa has pointed it out perfectly about 3 times on this thread already.

Go out and buy a striker just like that!!!!! Just because it is that simple on Football Manager 2000 and whatever doesn't mean it happens that way in real life.

Only one official league table is published and that is the one after all the games have been played and as long as this Club is in this division, which it will be, then we have a safe future. All those shouting for a taxi for Levein, who do you think could come in a do a better job? I mean realistic targets.

I despair at the amount of so called fans who are actually willing Levein, Douglas, Sylla, Hamill, Kisnorbo and de Vries to fail, with all their poxy misconceptions about Scottish football and the SPL. If I was a player and read these sites or listened to the radio I wouldn't want to play for half the morons that claim to be supporters.

We got lucky for 5 years when MON was in charge now we are back to where this Club has been, a top 2 division Club with some good seasons and some bad seasons. The difference now is there is a manager in place who has a clear blueprint on how to make us a top division team as a matter of course.

Of course we can bin him and return to the good old days of Taylor or Bassett or Adams or Bassett and Wilkinson and just plunge in to oblivion all together. But then I suppose that would make most of our 'fans' happy as they like nothing more than to moan and complain.

Merry bloody Christmas <_<

Well if your happy spending good money watching the mediocre football being dished up down the Walkers then good for you but I'm certainly not and I think I'm entitled to express my opinions as much as anyone.

[no_ 1_ city_ fan]

It's absolutely amazing just how ignorant of the situation people actually are, Lisa has pointed it out perfectly about 3 times on this thread already.

Go out and buy a striker just like that!!!!! Just because it is that simple on Football Manager 2000 and whatever doesn't mean it happens that way in real life.

Only one official league table is published and that is the one after all the games have been played and as long as this Club is in this division, which it will be, then we have a safe future. All those shouting for a taxi for Levein, who do you think could come in a do a better job? I mean realistic targets.

I despair at the amount of so called fans who are actually willing Levein, Douglas, Sylla, Hamill, Kisnorbo and de Vries to fail, with all their poxy misconceptions about Scottish football and the SPL. If I was a player and read these sites or listened to the radio I wouldn't want to play for half the morons that claim to be supporters.

We got lucky for 5 years when MON was in charge now we are back to where this Club has been, a top 2 division Club with some good seasons and some bad seasons. The difference now is there is a manager in place who has a clear blueprint on how to make us a top division team as a matter of course.

Of course we can bin him and return to the good old days of Taylor or Bassett or Adams or Bassett and Wilkinson and just plunge in to oblivion all together. But then I suppose that would make most of our 'fans' happy as they like nothing more than to moan and complain.

Merry bloody Christmas <_<

Merry bloody Christmas to you to

[BartonFox]

Well if your happy spending good money watching the mediocre football being dished up down the Walkers then good for you but I'm certainly not and I think I'm entitled to express my opinions as much as anyone.

If your not happy don't go, you won't be missed. As for me I am perfectly happy, the manager gave us a blueprint told us how it would work and nothing has happened to suggest he was lying or wrong. The only thing that gets to me is the clueless fools that spout on and on how bad things are and yet offer up no viable solution, not that one is needed. We must have one of the most ignorant fanbases in the league.

I look forward to the grovelling ass kissing that goes in 2006 when we are further up the table and on a run, but even then most won't be able to issue praise as they will the failure of the 'SPLytes'.

[l444ry]

It's absolutely amazing just how ignorant of the situation people actually are, Lisa has pointed it out perfectly about 3 times on this thread already.

Go out and buy a striker just like that!!!!! Just because it is that simple on Football Manager 2000 and whatever doesn't mean it happens that way in real life.

Only one official league table is published and that is the one after all the games have been played and as long as this Club is in this division, which it will be, then we have a safe future. All those shouting for a taxi for Levein, who do you think could come in a do a better job? I mean realistic targets.

I despair at the amount of so called fans who are actually willing Levein, Douglas, Sylla, Hamill, Kisnorbo and de Vries to fail, with all their poxy misconceptions about Scottish football and the SPL. If I was a player and read these sites or listened to the radio I wouldn't want to play for half the morons that claim to be supporters.

We got lucky for 5 years when MON was in charge now we are back to where this Club has been, a top 2 division Club with some good seasons and some bad seasons. The difference now is there is a manager in place who has a clear blueprint on how to make us a top division team as a matter of course.

Of course we can bin him and return to the good old days of Taylor or Bassett or Adams or Bassett and Wilkinson and just plunge in to oblivion all together. But then I suppose that would make most of our 'fans' happy as they like nothing more than to moan and complain.

Merry bloody Christmas <_<

Barton, you do yourself and your arguments no good at all by calling anybody who has the cheek to disagree with your views, "so-called fans." Furthermore, where on this site did you read that some were "willing" certain people to "fail? That's utter cobblers Barton. What gives you the right to be the all-knowing, all-seeing and superior Leicester oracle fan whose views everybody must bow down to?

Just take a little time out to analyse what you have just said-:

"... we are back to where this Club has been, a top 2 division Club with some good seasons and some bad seasons."

I can only recall ONE season when City were as low as this in it's history. And David Pleat was shown the door for it.

Also, there are no misconceptions about the Scottish League. The standard IS poor... FACT.

[Darth Fox]

Well if your happy spending good money watching the mediocre football being dished up down the Walkers then good for you but I'm certainly not and I think I'm entitled to express my opinions as much as anyone.

Well said. Don't worry it seems we aren't allowed to say a bad word on here without being slated. This happened to me at a Foxes match a few seasons ago also where some fat git slagged me for critisising players and said I wasn't a "real fan". The same fat tw@t left 10 mins b4 time because we were losing.

[Head Honcho]

If your not happy don't go, you won't be missed. As for me I am perfectly happy, the manager gave us a blueprint told us how it would work and nothing has happened to suggest he was lying or wrong. The only thing that gets to me is the clueless fools that spout on and on how bad things are and yet offer up no viable solution, not that one is needed. We must have one of the most ignorant fanbases in the league.

I look forward to the grovelling ass kissing that goes in 2006 when we are further up the table and on a run, but even then most won't be able to issue praise as they will the failure of the 'SPLytes'.

You really are a fool.

People are not going to withdraw their support for the team they love just because we aren't playing well.

We can also express our dismay if we believe the team aren't performing, If we didn't Peter Taylor would still be manager!

Your remark about not being missed is the most ludicrous thing I've seen posted on Foxestalk.

Take 3000-4000 of our average and we are in deep sh*t.

[Burleyfox]

If we intended to ditch Levein then the time to do it was well before the January transfer window. Fact is it's too late now to change the man at the helm, so let's stop this futile debate and get fully behind CL. No-one surely doubts that he is doing his best, and he deserves our full support in his efforts.

[Head Honcho]

If we intended to ditch Levein then the time to do it was well before the January transfer window. Fact is it's too late now to change the man at the helm, so let's stop this futile debate and get fully behind CL. No-one surely doubts that he is doing his best, and he deserves our full support in his efforts.

To the fans who say we won't be relegated, look at the table!

Unless we string 3 or 4 wins in a row together, the rest of our season is going to be a relegation battle and quite frankly I can't see us having back to back wins never mind 3 or 4.

My main worry with Levein is that when the going starts to get really tough he won't have the experience to pull us out of it.

I would love him to prove me wrong, I'm not even saying sack him, I've said before on here that we need a fresh face on the coaching staff someone like Jim Smith for instance just someone to give us a kickstart!

[Chrysalis]

Few facts.

We are not too good to go down on current form.

Results count the most, it doesnt matter if we the brazil of the league, forest went down and they passed it to death.

We have a high wage bill I think within the top 6 of the league. So craig has more resources then most clubs in this league.

If we continued on same form as last 6 games which a few seem to think is acceptable then prepare for a derby game against forest next season and also the likes of blackpool and huddersfield.

We make the same key mistakes every game I have seen the team play (concede from crosses, douglas fumbling etc.)

Who could replace craig?

Burley

Newell

Reid

Bruce if sacked.

[Katy]

Few facts.

We are not too good to go down on current form.

Results count the most, it doesnt matter if we the brazil of the league, forest went down and they passed it to death.

We have a high wage bill I think within the top 6 of the league. So craig has more resources then most clubs in this league.

If we continued on same form as last 6 games which a few seem to think is acceptable then prepare for a derby game against forest next season and also the likes of blackpool and huddersfield.

We make the same key mistakes every game I have seen the team play (concede from crosses, douglas fumbling etc.)

Who could replace craig?

Burley

Newell

Reid

Bruce if sacked.

It would be a huge mistake to have Peter Reid as manager of this club, the others - maybe. Ive always been a supporter of CL and he still deserves our backing, clubs get rid of managers all too quickly these days and nearly always regret it. I want to see how the games over the festive period go, see who comes in in Jan and then reassess my thoughts about CL.

[BartonFox]

Barton, you do yourself and your arguments no good at all by calling anybody who has the cheek to disagree with your views, "so-called fans." Furthermore, where on this site did you read that some were "willing" certain people to "fail? That's utter cobblers Barton. What gives you the right to be the all-knowing, all-seeing and superior Leicester oracle fan whose views everybody must bow down to?

Just take a little time out to analyse what you have just said-:

"... we are back to where this Club has been, a top 2 division Club with some good seasons and some bad seasons."

I can only recall ONE season when City were as low as this in it's history. And David Pleat was shown the door for it.

Also, there are no misconceptions about the Scottish League. The standard IS poor... FACT.

Sorry, what division were we in under David Pleat? That was nearly 20 years ago, what is your point?

Just read peoples posts, don't just stare at their words, the amount of people here willing failure on the aforementioned is farcical.

As for the SPL standard being poor how would you know? You clearly have your views from the English based media who don't give a hoot about anything north of Watford.

[BartonFox]

You really are a fool.

People are not going to withdraw their support for the team they love just because we aren't playing well.

We can also express our dismay if we believe the team aren't performing, If we didn't Peter Taylor would still be manager!

Your remark about not being missed is the most ludicrous thing I've seen posted on Foxestalk.

Take 3000-4000 of our average and we are in deep sh*t.

Trouble with the Peter Taylor situation, no one voiced their disapproval until it was too late, even at Charlton people were trying to shout down the dissenters, I know because I nearly got ejected for rowing with one of those 'don't rock the boat' tools. It proved that the majority of our fanbase have not got the first clue about football, let alone their own Club.

The current clamour about CL and some of the players who were prejudged before their arrival further enforces that.

Still lets sack him and get someone like Peter Reid in who did a marvellous job at Coventry and Leeds, how about Mike Newell seeing as his stock is dipping or Dave Bassett will soon be available lets get him back.

[l444ry]

Sorry, what division were we in under David Pleat? That was nearly 20 years ago, what is your point?

Just read peoples posts, don't just stare at their words, the amount of people here willing failure on the aforementioned is farcical.

As for the SPL standard being poor how would you know? You clearly have your views from the English based media who don't give a hoot about anything north of Watford.

The point, dear friend, was in the post. I suggest you read it again and not just stare at the words. And how would you know where my knowledge of Scottish football eminates from? You really are losing the argument throwing your assumptions around like this.

[BartonFox]

The point, dear friend, was in the post. I suggest you read it again and not just stare at the words. And how would you know where my knowledge of Scottish football eminates from? You really are losing the argument throwing your assumptions around like this.

No sorry your post made no point at all.

How do I know about your knowledge of the SPL - that little piece that ended in the word FACT revealed more than enough.

Losing what argument? What is the little world you live in? On seconds thought I'd rather not know.

[l444ry]

No sorry your post made no point at all.

How do I know about your knowledge of the SPL - that little piece that ended in the word FACT revealed more than enough.

Losing what argument? What is the little world you live in? On seconds thought I'd rather not know.

Just for the record Barton....I'm half-Scottish and spent my first 13 years living just outside Brechin.

[BartonFox]

Just for the record Barton....I'm half-Scottish and spent my first 13 years living just outside Brechin.

In that case I'd have thought you would have a better appreciation for the game north of the border. Perhaps your view has been misted by the media down here making out football in England is the best in the world.

I can guarentee that even Livingston vs. Dundee United would be better fare than that QPR vs. Coventry drivel from last night.

[Ultra]

If your not happy don't go, you won't be missed. As for me I am perfectly happy, the manager gave us a blueprint told us how it would work and nothing has happened to suggest he was lying or wrong.

...apart from results...

Having a blueprint may be one thing - achieving its aims is another.