Ben Nelson

[honeybradger]

20 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not sure why people are looking for conspiracy. Nelson cannot impress enough in training. Why isn’t it that simple? Our 90 minute window is a sliver of the observational scope the management team have.  

So by your logic Kristiansen must be impressing in training more than Aluko.

 

Kristiansen can hardly kick a ball straight whilst Aluko is brimming with individual quality. Either the people the players are trying to impress arent of the right standard or performances in training dont factor into it and it's mostly down to who's more senior in the dressing room.

 

I find it interesting that some weeks the club post photos of the winners of an internal 7 aside game they do in training, often times it's not our first XI players who made up the winning side.

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

So by your logic Kristiansen must be impressing in training more than Aluko.

 

Kristiansen can hardly kick a ball straight whilst Aluko is brimming with individual quality. Either the people the players are trying to impress arent of the right standard or performances in training dont factor into it and it's mostly down to who's more senior in the dressing room.

 

I find it interesting that some weeks the club post photos of the winners of an internal 7 aside game they do in training, often times it's not our first XI players who made up the winning side.

Do you not see that your logic is only irrefutable not because it's right but because it cannot be disproved evidentially? ( 

 

Whereas it is a super easy to say those that play are poor after every less than perfect outing. 

 

This cannot mean we must therefore play what is adjudged to be a currently lesser player in that position. These younger players are the future 100% but that does not mean it need to be more if they are not yet up to the requisite standard. 

 

The exit of the Crap Cup is a pain as it further reduces chances. 

[LCFCJohn]

32 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

They will be fairly used to each other in training, but fair enough on the match practice.

Essentially, what I am saying is that a combination of lack of match practice after injury and the additional standards he is held to, is a recipe for disaster and I can’t imagine it will go well. 
 

I don’t want that for him so it’s now at the point I hope he is kept away from it.

 

His involvement or lack of it has just become too much of a big deal now, too much pressure around it.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, LCFCJohn said:

Essentially, what I am saying is that a combination of lack of match practice after injury and the additional standards he is held to, is a recipe for disaster and I can’t imagine it will go well. 
 

I don’t want that for him so it’s now at the point I hope he is kept away from it.

 

His involvement or lack of it has just become too much of a big deal now, too much pressure around it.

Well this is where Marti needs to slowly integrate him back into the starting XI via sub appearances, if he is felt of sufficient quality to warrant it. 

[JimJams]

48 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

So Nelson isn’t allowed to **** up in his ‘auditions’ but Wout Faes is despite being a senior pro and seasoned international? Where’s the logic in that? He then says he’s of weak mentality to stick around. So if he doesn’t want to get bombed out the squad and our own fans to cuck tweedle Dee and tweedle dum for their **** ups as opposed to an academy graduate then he’s weak mentally? Make it make sense

This is where comprehension has not been your friend.

I didn't say Nelson isn't allowed to fxxk up his auditions.  I said he did fxxk up his audition.  Are we in denial of that?  Did you watch a different game?  I'm stating what happened. You seem to be confusing what did happen with your opinion on what should happen as a result of that performance.

I then did not say he's of weak mentality to stick around.  I said if he watches the teammates that are currently ahead of him fxxking up and his thoughts are that he then wants to move away, then he's of weak mentality, it should spur him on to prove himself and take their place if he has confidence in his ability. Almost the complete opposite of what you've construed from the comment.

The last bit barely qualifies as English so if you want to translate that for me, that'd be a help.  Then I can help make it make sense.  As it doesn't seem like you read the post.

 

 

[LCFCJohn]

56 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Well this is where Marti needs to slowly integrate him back into the starting XI via sub appearances, if he is felt of sufficient quality to warrant it. 

When do you see a centre back integrated like that though? It’s a damn difficult position to break into. Normally it’s due to injury or suspension. So sudden introduction which is what I think won’t work. Okoli and Souttar when back are the better options for that.

 

Those of us who rate Nelson must just be wrong. As you say, the manager sees him in training all the times so he can’t be good enough. We should just cut our losses (well not even losses as he’s pure profit). I’m sure someone would pay £3/4mill for him. 

[Dahnsouff]

5 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

When do you see a centre back integrated like that though? It’s a damn difficult position to break into. Normally it’s due to injury or suspension. So sudden introduction which is what I think won’t work. Okoli and Souttar when back are the better options for that.

 

Those of us who rate Nelson must just be wrong. As you say, the manager sees him in training all the times so he can’t be good enough. We should just cut our losses (well not even losses as he’s pure profit). I’m sure someone would pay £3/4mill for him. 

Don't get me wrong, want him to break through. Just cannot see another he gets in beyond as a replacement in the short term. 

[Noahfence]

Why did Nelson have to use that Huddersfield game to prove himself when he literally had a great season at this level last year? Not sure I’m following that logic. 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, Noahfence said:

Why did Nelson have to use that Huddersfield game to prove himself when he literally had a great season at this level last year? Not sure I’m following that logic. 

So comes in ahead of everyone else based on last season, rather than how he is performing this season?

[Noahfence]

14 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

So comes in ahead of everyone else based on last season, rather than how he is performing this season?

Yep I think he should. Played great last season at this level so why shouldn’t he? Faes & Vestergaard seem to have an endless amount of second chances. 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Noahfence said:

Yep I think he should. Played great last season at this level so why shouldn’t he? Faes & Vestergaard seem to have an endless amount of second chances. 

Fair enough. Have not seen enough evidence to suggest he should this season but would be delighted if he did show it. 

 

The trouble is that fans are reactive to mistakes evidenced on the pitch, with work not evident due to be given assumed to be faultless. 

 

Don't play, good job. 

Do play, another mistake, bin. 

 

Very much of the opinion that this is not the finished squad, it's just where we were able to get to start a late start and minimal transfer activity. 

 

I hope we progress as windows go by and that Ben remains here and partners a new CB, either internally found or acquired via the market. 

 

[It'sblueupnorth]

1 hour ago, JimJams said:

This is where comprehension has not been your friend.

I didn't say Nelson isn't allowed to fxxk up his auditions.  I said he did fxxk up his audition.  Are we in denial of that?  Did you watch a different game?  I'm stating what happened. You seem to be confusing what did happen with your opinion on what should happen as a result of that performance.

I then did not say he's of weak mentality to stick around.  I said if he watches the teammates that are currently ahead of him fxxking up and his thoughts are that he then wants to move away, then he's of weak mentality, it should spur him on to prove himself and take their place if he has confidence in his ability. Almost the complete opposite of what you've construed from the comment.

The last bit barely qualifies as English so if you want to translate that for me, that'd be a help.  Then I can help make it make sense.  As it doesn't seem like you read the post.

 

 

This is where critical thinking isn’t your friend as you haven’t got any. Nelson shouldn’t be hung out to dry just because he had a shit game against Huddersfield in the league cup. He also shouldn’t be expected to ‘spur himself on’ whilst watching shit players get chance after chance and continue to **** up whilst he’s been bombed out the squad over a bad game in the milk cup over players like wout faes that show contempt that they even have to play for us. 
He should be the future of the club and would see us make a big profit should we actually treat him properly.

Had a great season last year at this level and if he has any sense will tell us where to stick it in January 

[It'sblueupnorth]

23 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

So comes in ahead of everyone else based on last season, rather than how he is performing this season?

So why is wout faes allowed to make disasterclass after disasterclass without repercussions? Okoli also, can’t even pass a ball which we know Nelson can but was still nowhere near getting a chance when Faes couldn’t be arsed playing for us til the window shut

[Dahnsouff]

9 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

So why is wout faes allowed to make disasterclass after disasterclass without repercussions? Okoli also, can’t even pass a ball which we know Nelson can but was still nowhere near getting a chance when Faes couldn’t be arsed playing for us til the window shut

We have nobody else, and if the mgmt team decide despite these errors, Faes is still preferable to whoever else we have, then what should we do?

Play what they believe is a lesser player in Nelson? Or continue with the two and hope to build a better partnership?

 

No good answers.

[Noahfence]

10 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Fair enough. Have not seen enough evidence to suggest he should this season but would be delighted if he did show it. 

 

The trouble is that fans are reactive to mistakes evidenced on the pitch, with work not evident due to be given assumed to be faultless. 

 

Don't play, good job. 

Do play, another mistake, bin. 

 

Very much of the opinion that this is not the finished squad, it's just where we were able to get to start a late start and minimal transfer activity. 

 

I hope we progress as windows go by and that Ben remains here and partners a new CB, either internally found or acquired via the market. 

 

I do get where you’re coming from so hopefully didn’t come across like a twat. 
 

I just see it as we have this incredibly talented player who showed last season he’s more than comfortable at this level. 
 

Part of it could be I’m just so fed up with the likes of Faes, Vestergaard, Kristiansen, Ayew etc and simply want a fresh face in the team. 
 

I don’t like how he’s now suddenly out of the squad either but won’t go into that haha 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Noahfence said:

I do get where you’re coming from so hopefully didn’t come across like a twat. 
 

I just see it as we have this incredibly talented player who showed last season he’s more than comfortable at this level. 
 

Part of it could be I’m just so fed up with the likes of Faes, Vestergaard, Kristiansen, Ayew etc and simply want a fresh face in the team. 
 

I don’t like how he’s now suddenly out of the squad either but won’t go into that haha 

Don’t understand it either tbh. Feels almost like something has happened, but I am not going down conspiracy rabbit hole.

[moore_94]

9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

We have nobody else, and if the mgmt team decide despite these errors, Faes is still preferable to whoever else we have, then what should we do?

Play what they believe is a lesser player in Nelson? Or continue with the two and hope to build a better partnership?

 

No good answers.

We need to hope they realise they are being stupid rather than hoping two players who have played plenty together are suddenly somehow going to vastly improve and stop doing the stupid stuff they have been doing for years

 

Giving Nelson a go is the good answer

[MPH]

10 hours ago, moore_94 said:

I really don’t think it is a case of consecutive managers not fancying him

 

Under Enzo he was still only 18/19, our defence was doing well and he still got a bit of involvement - he maybe could’ve played a bit more but he was still young with only a couple of “meh” loans under his belt

 

Under Cooper he probably wasn’t quite ready yet for the Prem and a loan was the correct decision and he had a very good loan at Oxford showing he is more than good enough at this level

 

This is the first season where he should be getting proper game time and the manager isn’t giving him any at all so far

 

so really what you are saying then is that consecutive managers didn’t fancy playing him?

[moore_94]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

so really what you are saying then is that consecutive managers didn’t fancy playing him?

Only if you can’t read I suppose

[MPH]

8 hours ago, Stormfox said:

Because he is young and there are senior internationals so they get to start.... All about keeping a job by pushing for promotion 

 

it really does feel in some cases that there is a case of player hierarchy going on.. 

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Only if you can’t read I suppose

 

all you’ve done is give reasons/ explanations as to why the managers haven’t fancied playing him

[ceebeefox]

33 minutes ago, It'sblueupnorth said:

So why is wout faes allowed to make disasterclass after disasterclass without repercussions? Okoli also, can’t even pass a ball which we know Nelson can but was still nowhere near getting a chance when Faes couldn’t be arsed playing for us til the window shut

It was always thus , those that earn the big money and were signed from somewhere get the nod in front of the academy products. 

[moore_94]

7 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

all you’ve done is give reasons/ explanations as to why the managers haven’t fancied playing him

Enzo and Cooper used him in the most suitable way at the time for both the club and the player to develop him and in my opinion cannot be classed as "not fancying him"

 

They were actively trying to improve him

 

Martí isn't using him or doing what is best for his development which is actually "not fancying him"

Edited 27 September 2025 by moore_94

[MPH]

3 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

Enzo and Cooper used him in the most suitable way at the time for both the club and the player to develop him and in my opinion cannot be classed as "not fancying him"

 

They were actively trying to improve him

 

Martí isn't using him or doing what is best for his development which is actually "not fancying him"

 

100% disagree with that. When you are storming the league, it’s a great time to play a young player: and  when you are nailed on to go down, why not play the young players?

 

 

that’s how you develop a young player. By playing him.

[squidsworth]

Maybe our first 3 choice cb are just better than him at the moment? He's a young lad still and only ever featured at a below average level. Sure he'll get his chance but we've hardly done bad in defence, the best teams have conceded 5 and we've conceded 6? So it isn't exactly the most pressing issue to sort and experiment with right now. You think it he plays we'll not concede at all? The problems are firmly at the other end of the pitch.