Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Who "Indirit Krasniqi"? Thats a good old british name. What's your point? Michael Johnson is an British name. Edit: Changed to British name as it may not be specifically English.
Babylon Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 What's your point? Michael Johnson is an English name. The fact he is ethnic is my point. Responding to you pointing out he has light skin.
Guest Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 They were all released on bail as well when they did the disgusting crime.Scum There are two major downsides to remand. 1) The tax payer pays for the prisoner's up keep, and 2) the time spent on remand can be used as part of your sentence.As much as I hate to see this kind of man on the streets, I do begrudge 1) and think they need to spend as much of their time inside as convicted murderers and rapists rather than accused, negating 2) to some degree.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Singh, I applaud you mate. You always talk a lot of sense on these subject!!! Thanks Babylon!!! Just continiung from steven: The cynic in me says that this policy is quite deliberate as well. Governments like to have "bogey men" to frighten us with and here is a ready made (only about 2.5% of the total population) pool of people that everyone can have a go at and are powerless to fight back. How many excluded children are Black? Too many as a proportion of the population and so I suggest that the policy is implemented purely to continue the cycle rather than break it. Interesting point, the people within the cabinet and those making decisions in general live in affluent areas, and are never effected by such crimes but still alot of money being pumped into deprevated areas for example in Handsworth Lozells, where the riots happened, over 2 million pounds has been pumped in, and through bad governance by local officials very little benefit has been seen!! Your right there is a cycle, there are too many opportunities to earn 'easy' money in deprivated areas, ie drugs, theft etc, a child wil grow up and see a adult drive around in flash cars etc, money earned through crime and thinks 'why should I have to bust my ball's at school' when i can just sell some crack and make money and lead a easy life'. Shootings and drugs become part and parcel of life and disintegration into main stream society begins. The cycle IMO, is due to crime, easy money, upbringing (parents know no better) and governments lack of understanding, money is not the solution, kids and adults need hope and a achievable aim!!!!
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 What about the other suspects that were arrested and not convicted? You reckon we should just lock them all up in our already over-crowded prisons? Instead of building enough prisons the government gives them computer games to play with and televisions to watch. I wouldn't be suprised if these guys had been in young offenders prisons playing Grand Theft Auto. IMO, were too kind to convicts, too many human rights etc. Ever seen an Indian prison, you sleep on the floor, no mattress, no TV etc and it's hard labour, send some of our convicts to those type of prisons and they will never want to return and the cost to run them would be cheap aswell, I can't afford sky sports and yet my taxes pays for convicts to have it!!!
Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 The fact he is ethnic is my point. Responding to you pointing out he has light skin. He does, but he is also not black. My concern was that people were suggesting that gun crime is a 'black thing'. Anyway that was my point, however shit it is. Interesting point, the people within the cabinet and those making decisions in general live in affluent areas, and are never effected by such crimes but still alot of money being pumped into deprevated areas for example in Handsworth Lozells, where the riots happened, over 2 million pounds has been pumped in, and through bad governance by local officials very little benefit has been seen!! Your right there is a cycle, there are too many opportunities to earn 'easy' money in deprivated areas, ie drugs, theft etc, a child wil grow up and see a adult drive around in flash cars etc, money earned through crime and thinks 'why should I have to bust my ball's at school' when i can just sell some crack and make money and lead a easy life'. Shootings and drugs become part and parcel of life and disintegration into main stream society begins. The cycle IMO, is due to crime, easy money, upbringing (parents know no better) and governments lack of understanding, money is not the solution, kids and adults need hope and a achievable aim!!!! Good post, It's pretty much what I would like to say, but can't. Probably down to my inability to hold my tongue and think about what I'm saying, or typing in this case.
Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 IMO, were too kind to convicts, too many human rights etc. Ever seen an Indian prison, you sleep on the floor, no mattress, no TV etc and it's hard labour, send some of our convicts to those type of prisons and they will never want to return and the cost to run them would be cheap aswell, I can't afford sky sports and yet my taxes pays for convicts to have it!!! Yes we are, like I said, those guys could've served time in a young offenders place. IF they did... they didn't learn from their mistakes did they? They probably completed [insert generic violent game here] on the hardest setting though...RESULT I haven't got sky sports either mate, but then again I don't pay taxes
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 IMO, were too kind to convicts, too many human rights etc. Ever seen an Indian prison, you sleep on the floor, no mattress, no TV etc and it's hard labour, send some of our convicts to those type of prisons and they will never want to return and the cost to run them would be cheap aswell, I can't afford sky sports and yet my taxes pays for convicts to have it!!! ... and there are no criminals in India?
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 ... and there are no criminals in India? I don't know, I don't think so, there all into yoga and meditating!!! Majority of people are poor, so hardship and living in hard surroundings are part and parcel, so going to prison will be little dofference from the norm. A UK prison to them would be like the hotel Ritz, but with the death penalty, convicted murderers don't exist!!!
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Thanks Babylon!!! Just continiung from steven: The cynic in me says that this policy is quite deliberate as well. Governments like to have "bogey men" to frighten us with and here is a ready made (only about 2.5% of the total population) pool of people that everyone can have a go at and are powerless to fight back. How many excluded children are Black? Too many as a proportion of the population and so I suggest that the policy is implemented purely to continue the cycle rather than break it. Interesting point, the people within the cabinet and those making decisions in general live in affluent areas, and are never effected by such crimes but still alot of money being pumped into deprevated areas for example in Handsworth Lozells, where the riots happened, over 2 million pounds has been pumped in, and through bad governance by local officials very little benefit has been seen!! Your right there is a cycle, there are too many opportunities to earn 'easy' money in deprivated areas, ie drugs, theft etc, a child wil grow up and see a adult drive around in flash cars etc, money earned through crime and thinks 'why should I have to bust my ball's at school' when i can just sell some crack and make money and lead a easy life'. Shootings and drugs become part and parcel of life and disintegration into main stream society begins. The cycle IMO, is due to crime, easy money, upbringing (parents know no better) and governments lack of understanding, money is not the solution, kids and adults need hope and a achievable aim!!!! "Legalise Drugs" as making them illegal is just spreading criminality.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 "Legalise Drugs" as making them illegal is just spreading criminality. Sorry Steven, I never suggested legalising drugs, well I don't think so, but just to clarify, i don't think that would work, human nature is always to explore and as the saying 'curiosity killed the cat', people will always be curious to see what effects a drug could have on ones self!!! Being drugged up brings about irrational behaviour which will lead to crime!! Plus crime lords will look elsewhare to fund there lifestyle!!!
sackmycook Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 I got to admit the truth. life would be a bore without drugs.
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 But what if the news had said a 15 year old boy had gone in to school killed 15 people, a teacher, then shot themselves. I, and most others, would assume a white, American teenager who was probably a sad computer spod. It it the type of crime commited which leads to assumptions. Gang crime = Black, Sad loner crime = white. The point being EVERONE is prejudiced (i.e. we pre-judge situations), not always a bad thing it depends on whether you act upon it or not. You can't help your initial reaction as stereotypes are usually ingrained (and do have a basis in truth!). I have always gone along with this statement! I would be the first to admit that I'm prejudiced but I have never knowingly acted on any of my prejudices.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 I got to admit the truth. life would be a bore without drugs. Yeah, that and alcohol, junk food and women (men for all the ladies and gays etc)!!!
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Sorry Steven, I never suggested legalising drugs, well I don't think so, but just to clarify, i don't think that would work, human nature is always to explore and as the saying 'curiosity killed the cat', people will always be curious to see what effects a drug could have on ones self!!! Being drugged up brings about irrational behaviour which will lead to crime!! Plus crime lords will look elsewhare to fund there lifestyle!!! All of what you say is true, but making them illegal hasn't stopped any of this behaviour, just created Criminal gangs. Is that what you want. <_<
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 I got to admit the truth. life would be a bore without drugs. You'll love it when Cocaine Sulphate hits the streets then under 20p a hit
sackmycook Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Yeah, that and alcohol, junk food and women (men for all the ladies and gays etc)!!! Yeah!
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 All of what you say is true, but making them illegal hasn't stopped any of this behaviour, just created Criminal gangs. Is that what you want. <_< Agreed that drugs has created criminal gangs but will legalising solve the issue, i'm not too sure it will, there's no country on this planet that has totally legalised all drugs, so it's hard to get a comparison or a suitable study. I think ilegalising would lead to the introduction or creation of more lethal\addictive drugs, which would be more acceptable within an already drug accepting society, in the begining crime etc will drop but in the end it will lead to to more chaos. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong!!!
sackmycook Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 You'll love it when Cocaine Sulphate hits the streets then under 20p a hit No its Cocaine Hydrocholride for me.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Yeah! Excellent!!!!! I forgot to add Bhangra to the list, nice one Mr Sackmycook
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 That's the funniest thing i've heard in ages!!! Yes, my dad is also very scared the a White Brit from the 'Raj' may kidnapp our wives for slavery!!!! I come from a ethnic background and was bought up in poverty but I like many did not resort to crime etc. Instead all people from my area were given opportunities to educate (the government provides schools for all children) and lead a better life, there were some that did and some that didn't. It's not just ethnics, I was bought up with alot of white guys fom braunstone, some chose chose not to educate themselves and get a job etc and others resort to crime etc!! I put alot of influence on parenting and upbringing, those kids that didn't do well were generally from families that didn't give a damn and from broken families!!! Within Asains, it's mainly Sikhs and Hindus that do well, Muslims are having a bad time, again I blame parenting, Muslims put far to much impetous on learning from Mosques and the Islamic culture is first and foremost and therefore tend not to integrate at a early age!! I didn't have many black friends, and the ones I did have did very well, so I can't put a finger on why a proportion have turned to crime when infact they have had the same opportunities as all immigrants!!! This is one of the biggest reasons why Black and Muslim youths feel left out and alienated! I was brought up in the Highfields, one of the last white families to move out of our street and I did notice the difference in attitudes towards school from all the different races, as you said education is a top priority for most Hindu's and Sikh's. Maybe we should have a system like they do in some countries, where if you don't reach a certain grade in school, you don't go up a year. Hopefully the stigma of being back-classed will one day improve education all round for everyone!
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Agreed that drugs has created criminal gangs but will legalising solve the issue, i'm not too sure it will, there's no country on this planet that has totally legalised all drugs, so it's hard to get a comparison or a suitable study. I think ilegalising would lead to the introduction or creation of more lethal\addictive drugs, which would be more acceptable within an already drug accepting society, in the begining crime etc will drop but in the end it will lead to to more chaos. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong!!! Prohibition where, anecdotally, more alcohol was drunk than before Prohibition. It also bred the Mafia which has nver truly been eliminated from US society
Babylon Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 What i'd do to try and solve some of the problems. a) Bring back the birch (no not Alan) b) Take away all prison comforts c) Pay babylon protection money d) Life means Life prison terms!!!!! Plus a few others.... ;-)
Lemon Harpic Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Maybe we should have a system like they do in some countries, where if you don't reach a certain grade in school, you don't go up a year. Hopefully the stigma of being back-classed will one day improve education all round for everyone! Isn't the USA one of the countries that uses that system? That would be the country with statistically the worst education system in the developed world, worse even than some third-world countries.
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 What i'd do to try and solve some of the problems. a) Bring back the birch (no not Alan) b) Take away all prison comforts c) Pay babylon protection money d) Life means Life prison terms!!!!! Plus a few others.... ;-) For certain crimes I'd also include the 3 strikes and your in for life rule!
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