Mary-Ann Leneghan

[Head Honcho]

Isn't the USA one of the countries that uses that system?

That would be the country with statistically the worst education system in the developed world, worse even than some third-world countries.

I'd very much doubt if it's as bad as that!

..............but anyway I was thinking more along the lines of vocational studies, I mean whats the point of every pupil following the same routine when it's quite obvious that some pupils are just not cut out for academia.

[Steven]

For certain crimes I'd also include the 3 strikes and your in for life rule!

You can pay the extra tax to fund that kind if madness.

[Dr The Singh]

This is one of the biggest reasons why Black and Muslim youths feel left out and alienated!

I was brought up in the Highfields, one of the last white families to move out of our street and I did notice the difference in attitudes towards school from all the different races, as you said education is a top priority for most Hindu's and Sikh's.

Maybe we should have a system like they do in some countries, where if you don't reach a certain grade in school, you don't go up a year. Hopefully the stigma of being back-classed will one day improve education all round for everyone!

I don't think schooling is the main problem, for me it's up bringing, parents need to be taught the benefits of the education and schooling system and for there children to succeed in our society they must integrate into our system. Culture does have it's place but first and foremost we must learn the skills what is required to succeed in this country ie english, maths, science, sport and social skills!!

All people from all backgrounds need to 'mainstream' to get the best out of the system, all people are provided with the opportunity of education, an opportunity which is taken for granted. Maybe that's the problem, if parents had to pay for education they might take an interest and make sure there kids get best value for money!!!!!!

[Fox 4 Life]

This happended not far from my house, I also know Mary-Ann's uncle very well, it was a complete tragedy and they all deserved to go down for it.............

[Steven]

This happended not far from my house, I also know Mary-Ann's uncle very well, it was a complete tragedy and they all deserved to go down for it.............

Nobody can disagree with this. <_<

[Thracian]

You sound just like just the sort of person I'd love to have as a neighbour - thoroughly pleasant and well adjusted.

And if only life were as simple as you make it sound.

For a start some people don't want to be systemised, mainstreamed or in any way indoctrinated by people they don't necessarily respect in the first place and who are under political instructions to manipulate their thinking.

You talk about the requirements to succeed but I have an acquaintance who fairly recently took a substantial backhander to fill in accountancy examination answers for a group of Indian students in Nuneaton who can barely read the questions let alone construct proper answers.

Are they the skills we need to succeed now, the ability to cheat?

The system you champion is being mocked.

Furthermore it isn't fair. People don't attend interviews to simply prove they are the best at something or otherwise, not now.

Instead there are social and political considerations which influence who gets a job.

Indeed many people are removed from the interview list solely because they are white. Would you like to be removed from a list because you were Indian or for that to happen to your sons? I would love you to tell me how that is fair.

It wasn't fair years ago as various films and documentaries scream at us without rest. Why should it be fair now?

You are however, quite right about upbringing. My youngest son chose not to go to school at all from the ages of 9-15 but he has never resorted to crime or been in any way an anti-social or dishonest person.

[Head Honcho]

You sound just like just the sort of person I'd love to have as a neighbour - thoroughly pleasant and well adjusted.

And if only life were as simple as you make it sound.

For a start some people don't want to be systemised, mainstreamed or in any way indoctrinated by people they don't necessarily respect in the first place and who are under political instructions to manipulate their thinking.

You talk about the requirements to succeed but I have an acquaintance who fairly recently took a substantial backhander to fill in accountancy examination answers for a group of Indian students in Nuneaton who can barely read the questions let alone construct proper answers.

Are they the skills we need to succeed now, the ability to cheat?

The system you champion is being mocked.

Furthermore it isn't fair. People don't attend interviews to simply prove they are the best at something or otherwise, not now.

Instead there are social and political considerations which influence who gets a job.

Indeed many people are removed from the interview list solely because they are white. Would you like to be removed from a list because you were Indian or for that to happen to your sons? I would love you to tell me how that is fair.

It wasn't fair years ago as various films and documentaries scream at us without rest. Why should it be fair now?

You are however, quite right about upbringing. My youngest son chose not to go to school at all from the ages of 9-15 but he has never resorted to crime or been in any way an anti-social or dishonest person.

If thats aimed at me Thracian why do I get the feeling your being sarcastic!!!

[Dr The Singh]

You sound just like just the sort of person I'd love to have as a neighbour - thoroughly pleasant and well adjusted.

And if only life were as simple as you make it sound.

For a start some people don't want to be systemised, mainstreamed or in any way indoctrinated by people they don't necessarily respect in the first place and who are under political instructions to manipulate their thinking.

You talk about the requirements to succeed but I have an acquaintance who fairly recently took a substantial backhander to fill in accountancy examination answers for a group of Indian students in Nuneaton who can barely read the questions let alone construct proper answers.

Are they the skills we need to succeed now, the ability to cheat?

The system you champion is being mocked.

Furthermore it isn't fair. People don't attend interviews to simply prove they are the best at something or otherwise, not now.

Instead there are social and political considerations which influence who gets a job.

Indeed many people are removed from the interview list solely because they are white. Would you like to be removed from a list because you were Indian or for that to happen to your sons? I would love you to tell me how that is fair.

It wasn't fair years ago as various films and documentaries scream at us without rest. Why should it be fair now?

You are however, quite right about upbringing. My youngest son chose not to go to school at all from the ages of 9-15 but he has never resorted to crime or been in any way an anti-social or dishonest person.

You wouldn't want me as a neighbour, I have 2 little naughty kids that have a habit of getting up during the night, not to say the wild sex orgy parties I have at my place

Like I said first and foremost is upbringing, the issue of schooling was in regard to those that prefer to be taught ie there religion instead of mainstream subjects which would lead to more problems in the future, but agreed it's not simple and i'm only talking ideals, life has far too many variables.

All systems are prone to abuse, and I don't think colour is the issue, more the morals!!

I understand where your comming from regarding colour\ethnic prejudice in many proffessions, ie Police Force, and my cousin has been fast tracked within the forces only because of his colour/ethnic background, which is unfair and he has felt ignored and shunned by his white collegues, which is understandable. The government in the last few years have been over sensitive and over accomodating and want to be seen as being 'pro-active' in getting rid of racism and institutional racism, in favouring the minority it has began to alienate the majority which in the long run will cause alot more issues. It's there all to see and to be honest I don't think ethnic groups agree and feel comfortable about, as it will divide people, in general we all would like equal oppportunities!!!

I don't know what documenteries or films your on about but I could guess and many reports and enquiries have been done and I take it at us, you mean 'white' people. I think it's all about common sense, not every person is a good one and society has it's mixture and gradients of good and bad, that's life!!! If people stood back and thought about it they would realise that, and to label a whole class of people under the same umbrella doesn't work either!!

Glad to see you reap the rewards of good parenting, i hope my kids grow up to be good kids!!!

[davieG]

Thracian:- People don't attend interviews to simply prove they are the best at something or otherwise, not now.

I was involved in the recruitment of graduates a few years back, as a subsidiary of a larger group of companies I was informed that we needed a corporate approach to this, even though the group of companies themselves were invovled in entirely different industries.

Anyway I had to attend a meeting at some extremely plush offices in London, where we spent the best part of the day discussing not how we would determine who was best for the job in terms of academic, managment, and design skills, knowledge apptitude etc - no we discussed how we would isolate these graduates at an exclusive high class establishment and set traps for them to expose their lack of social skills. Ha, very important you might say but did we really need to know how they would approach the life shattering task of eating a dessert chosen purely for its difficulty in eating with a spoon and fork, yes it was so important in fact that a group of 15 highly paid people, ( I was the lowest waged person there coming from and Engineering firm in Leicester) spent over 2 hours on this task alone.

Now for me that recruitment programme had one aim only and that was to exclude a certain class of people, nothing specifically to do with race, religion or gender but demonstrated to me that this is still very much a class ridden society. They would have stood out like a sore thumb in the company I worked for.

Oh and I forgot to mention the cost of this whole recruitment excercise was going to cost us more than we were going to pay 2 graduates for 4 years.

I wouldn't have minded but we'd been recruiting graduates successfully for years, demostrated by the fact that over 70+% of them stayed there for at least 5 years after their training programme had finished.

[Phube]

Oooh... Name and Shame!!!!

[Steven]

no we discussed how we would isolate these graduates at an exclusive high class establishment and set traps for them to expose their lack of social skills. Ha, very important you might say but did we really need to know how they would approach the life shattering task of eating a dessert chosen purely for its difficulty in eating with a spoon and fork

I think that is very important. Sign of the times when this sort of thing becomes unimportant. <_<

[davieG]

Oooh... Name and Shame!!!!

They no longer exists as a conglomerate although I believe all the individual companies still exist either as stand alone or as part of other gorups.

[davieG]

I think that is very important. Sign of the times when this sort of thing becomes unimportant. <_<

It took me a while to understand what they were talking about, dessert I call them puddings. They were also confused when I asked if they were going to set the tables differently for left handed people.

[Thracian]

It took me a while to understand what they were talking about, dessert I call them puddings. They were also confused when I asked if they were going to set the tables differently for left handed people.

You wouldn't think it would be made so hard simply to judge people as people and on the basis of what they can offer the job.

PS: And stick to your puddings DavieG. They're making a comeback!!

[Thracian]

You wouldn't want me as a neighbour, I have 2 little naughty kids that have a habit of getting up during the night, not to say the wild sex orgy parties I have at my place

Like I said first and foremost is upbringing, the issue of schooling was in regard to those that prefer to be taught ie there religion instead of mainstream subjects which would lead to more problems in the future, but agreed it's not simple and i'm only talking ideals, life has far too many variables.

All systems are prone to abuse, and I don't think colour is the issue, more the morals!!

I understand where your comming from regarding colour\ethnic prejudice in many proffessions, ie Police Force, and my cousin has been fast tracked within the forces only because of his colour/ethnic background, which is unfair and he has felt ignored and shunned by his white collegues, which is understandable. The government in the last few years have been over sensitive and over accomodating and want to be seen as being 'pro-active' in getting rid of racism and institutional racism, in favouring the minority it has began to alienate the majority which in the long run will cause alot more issues. It's there all to see and to be honest I don't think ethnic groups agree and feel comfortable about, as it will divide people, in general we all would like equal oppportunities!!!

I don't know what documenteries or films your on about but I could guess and many reports and enquiries have been done and I take it at us, you mean 'white' people. I think it's all about common sense, not every person is a good one and society has it's mixture and gradients of good and bad, that's life!!! If people stood back and thought about it they would realise that, and to label a whole class of people under the same umbrella doesn't work either!!

Glad to see you reap the rewards of good parenting, i hope my kids grow up to be good kids!!!

I'm sure they will.

As for your cousin I hope he comes through to be a good policeman but maybe takes time to remember our own relative who wanted to be a policeman too but was a victim of the policy we've mentioned and has now moved abroad because he believes his own nation places no value on his presence here.

My own son is moving abroad too but that's basically to continue exploring his theory that life is all about realising your dreams which I think is teenspeak for having a good time.

It's been interesting talking to you.

[sackmycook]

Things have just come full circle. My cousin who is sadly a cabbie now was a police constable in leicester in the early 80's and was subjected to racist taunts, was victimised, bullied etc and in the end was kicked out for apparently having stolen a small amount of money.

But, that doesn't mean that we should now be fast tracking ethnic minority officers.

[Guest]

Society sucks.