Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Is it just me or did anyone else second guess that the 6 men found guilty would all be non-white? The thing that worries me is that although I claim not to be racist, does this to some extent prove that I am, or is it just that the crime commited lead me to believe and rightly so that the non of the defendents would be white! I don't mean to offend anyone I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why I was able to second guess to some extent the ethnic origin of the defendents before they were named.
wonderboy Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Is it just me or did anyone else second guess that the 6 men found guilty would all be non-white? The thing that worries me is that although I claim not to be racist, does this to some extent prove that I am, or is it just that the crime commited lead me to believe and rightly so that the non of the defendents would be white! I don't mean to offend anyone I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why I was able to second guess to some extent the ethnic origin of the defendents before they were named. it is tricky allen if you say that you thaught it would be non-white people who have done this then some people would jump to the conclusion you were racist. these would mostly be black people tho. whenever i see something on the news about a shooting i automatically assume it was a black gang and more often than not it is. people just assume that this colour person did this this colour person did that it doesnt mean you are racist it just means you saying aloud what most people are thinking.
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Is it just me or did anyone else second guess that the 6 men found guilty would all be non-white? The thing that worries me is that although I claim not to be racist, does this to some extent prove that I am, or is it just that the crime commited lead me to believe and rightly so that the non of the defendents would be white! I don't mean to offend anyone I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why I was able to second guess to some extent the ethnic origin of the defendents before they were named. ... because you negative preconceptions about people who have dark coloured skin. <_<
wonderboy Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 ... because you negative preconceptions about people who have dark coloured skin. <_< well how many gun toating white teenagers have you seen on the tv lately ? it is not a negative preconception of black people it is that more often than not it is black people who go around with guns pretending it's cool. like for instance when you see something in the news about stolen cars you automatically assume it is drugged up teenagers that have done this which is not always the case.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Is it just me or did anyone else second guess that the 6 men found guilty would all be non-white? The thing that worries me is that although I claim not to be racist, does this to some extent prove that I am, or is it just that the crime commited lead me to believe and rightly so that the non of the defendents would be white! I don't mean to offend anyone I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why I was able to second guess to some extent the ethnic origin of the defendents before they were named. I have thought the same thing, it is generalisation that gang shootings are associated with black people rather then a racist thing!! I think alot of people would be surprised if it were high class, rich white boys!! It's the way the brain works, even though it is a sophisticated computer it does cut corners and relates all info from info already stored, ie it steroetypes\generalises as a means of saving time computating!!! That's the psychological aspects but from a socialogical aspect, majority of gun crimes are committed by black youths especially in relation to there populus!!!
sackmycook Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 If this crime had happened in London i would have thought they would not be white When i heard it was Reading i was convinced it would be white men. whilst this was horriffic drug dealers dont go around butchering people without reason. MAL must have been involved in the robbery setup. The simple fact is that if you f*** around with people like this what would you expect?
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 If this crime had happened in London i would have thought they would not be white When i heard it was Reading i was convinced it would be white men. You obviously haven't been to Reading recently!
Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 It goes back to colonisation, people fearing a black up rising would mean they lost their 'hard earned' profit. That the rape of the white woman would lead to the eventual loss of the 'superior' white race. This mind set has been passed down and not totally lost. People still fear alienation. *Some black people (along with whites) still live in what can only be described as ghettos, so what the hell do you expect if they don't get the opportunities and education to get out of there? Answer: Crime. Blame the government not the entire Afro-Carribean race. Edit: Not all black people live in ghettos.
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 It goes back to colonisation, people fearing a black up rising would mean they lost their 'hard earned' profit. That the rape of the white woman would lead to the eventual loss of the 'superior' white race. This mind set has been passed down and not totally lost. People still fear alienation. Black people (along with whites) still live in what can only be described as ghettos, so what the hell do you expect if they don't get the opportunities and education to get out of there? Answer: Crime. Blame the government not the entire Afro-Carribean race. How is it the government fault that 6 guys rape and murder an innocent teenager. There are millions of people out there who don't get the best start in life but they don't resort to this type of behaviour. **** me we'll be blaming the government for the weather next!
sackmycook Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 It goes back to colonisation, people fearing a black up rising would mean they lost their 'hard earned' profit. That the rape of the white woman would lead to the eventual loss of the 'superior' white race. This mind set has been passed down and not totally lost. People still fear alienation. Black people (along with whites) still live in what can only be described as ghettos, so what the hell do you expect if they don't get the opportunities and education to get out of there? Answer: Crime. Blame the government not the entire Afro-Carribean race. Thats BS and Leicester is the perfect example. most Asian's arrived in the 70's therefore the black community had a 10 year head start. And yet Asians probably contribute more to Leicester and the UK's economy than any other ethnic minority.
Lemon Harpic Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Is it just me or did anyone else second guess that the 6 men found guilty would all be non-white? The thing that worries me is that although I claim not to be racist, does this to some extent prove that I am, or is it just that the crime commited lead me to believe and rightly so that the non of the defendents would be white! I don't mean to offend anyone I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why I was able to second guess to some extent the ethnic origin of the defendents before they were named. I'm pretty sure that Sky News revealed that the defendants were all from an 'ethnic' background right at the start of the trial. Maybe this piece of information subliminally made it's way into your subconscious and that's why you 'assumed' that the guilty men were all non-white. Or maybe there was no such claim on Sky News, and my subconscious invented it because I'm a racist who assumed that the attackers were all non-white. Who can say? Anyway, isn't it sexist that we all assumed the attackers were male?
Head Honcho Posted 20 March 2006 Author Posted 20 March 2006 Thats BS and Leicester is the perfect example. most Asian's arrived in the 70's therefore the black community had a 10 year head start. And yet Asians probably contribute more to Leicester and the UK's economy than any other ethnic minority. Very good point!
Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 How is it the government fault that 6 guys rape and murder an innocent teenager. There are millions of people out there who don't get the best start in life but they don't resort to this type of behaviour. **** me we'll be blaming the government for the weather next! It's an awful thing for them to have done. But I guess their bad black hearts must be the reason for their lack of morals?
funkyfox1884 Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 whilst this was horriffic drug dealers dont go around butchering people without reason. MAL must have been involved in the robbery setup. The simple fact is that if you f*** around with people like this what would you expect? There is no evidence to suggest that she was involved in any robbery. It is more likely that he was out of his face and blamed the first person he could think of or the last person he saw. I've known people like this and have seen how sometimes even the softest drugs can turn people into paranoid, violent cowards and more often than not they will target someone who is weaker than themselves. Besides no matter what a person has or hasn't done no one deserves to die in this horrific way.
wonderboy Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 It's an awful thing for them to have done. But I guess their bad black hearts must be the reason for their lack of morals? no its their own foult its got nowt to do with morals even if you have had the worst start in life possible you surely know that rape torture and murder are WRONG.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 It goes back to colonisation, people fearing a black up rising would mean they lost their 'hard earned' profit. That the rape of the white woman would lead to the eventual loss of the 'superior' white race. This mind set has been passed down and not totally lost. People still fear alienation. Black people (along with whites) still live in what can only be described as ghettos, so what the hell do you expect if they don't get the opportunities and education to get out of there? Answer: Crime. Blame the government not the entire Afro-Carribean race. That's the funniest thing i've heard in ages!!! Yes, my dad is also very scared the a White Brit from the 'Raj' may kidnapp our wives for slavery!!!! I come from a ethnic background and was bought up in poverty but I like many did not resort to crime etc. Instead all people from my area were given opportunities to educate (the government provides schools for all children) and lead a better life, there were some that did and some that didn't. It's not just ethnics, I was bought up with alot of white guys fom braunstone, some chose chose not to educate themselves and get a job etc and others resort to crime etc!! I put alot of influence on parenting and upbringing, those kids that didn't do well were generally from families that didn't give a damn and from broken families!!! Within Asains, it's mainly Sikhs and Hindus that do well, Muslims are having a bad time, again I blame parenting, Muslims put far to much impetous on learning from Mosques and the Islamic culture is first and foremost and therefore tend not to integrate at a early age!! I didn't have many black friends, and the ones I did have did very well, so I can't put a finger on why a proportion have turned to crime when infact they have had the same opportunities as all immigrants!!!
Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 I blame the government for everything... I am a rebellious boy, who has recently finished an essay on colonialism and I hated what I read about it A combination photograph shows undated pictures released by Thames Valley Police on March 20, 2006 of the six men who are found guilty of murdering 16-year-old Mary-Ann Leneghan. The men are (Top Row L-R) Llewellyn Adams, Michael Johnson, Adrian Thomas, (Bottom Row L-R) Indirit Krasniqi, Jamaile Morally and Joshua Morally. REUTERS/Thames Valley Police/Handout http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20032006/325/phot...und-guilty.html Note the guy bottom left I know he's non white but still.
Dr The Singh Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 I blame the government for everything... I am a rebellious boy, who has recently finished an essay on colonialism and I hated what I read about it http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20032006/325/phot...und-guilty.html Note the guy bottom left From what a read about these guys, they were just wannabe gangsters, there influence was more like Rap Music, and Rap\Gangsta Culture!! I bet these guys know nothing about colonialism, let alone spell it!!!
Babylon Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 I blame the government for everything... I am a rebellious boy, who has recently finished an essay on colonialism and I hated what I read about it http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20032006/325/phot...und-guilty.html Note the guy bottom left I know he's non white but still. Who "Indirit Krasniqi"? Thats a good old british name.
Phube Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 well how many gun toating white teenagers have you seen on the tv lately ? But what if the news had said a 15 year old boy had gone in to school killed 15 people, a teacher, then shot themselves. I, and most others, would assume a white, American teenager who was probably a sad computer spod. It it the type of crime commited which leads to assumptions. Gang crime = Black, Sad loner crime = white. The point being EVERONE is prejudiced (i.e. we pre-judge situations), not always a bad thing it depends on whether you act upon it or not. You can't help your initial reaction as stereotypes are usually ingrained (and do have a basis in truth!).
Babylon Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 That's the funniest thing i've heard in ages!!! Yes, my dad is also very scared the a White Brit from the 'Raj' may kidnapp our wives for slavery!!!! I come from a ethnic background and was bought up in poverty but I like many did not resort to crime etc. Instead all people from my area were given opportunities to educate (the government provides schools for all children) and lead a better life, there were some that did and some that didn't. It's not just ethnics, I was bought up with alot of white guys fom braunstone, some chose chose not to educate themselves and get a job etc and others resort to crime etc!! I put alot of influence on parenting and upbringing, those kids that didn't do well were generally from families that didn't give a damn and from broken families!!! Within Asains, it's mainly Sikhs and Hindus that do well, Muslims are having a bad time, again I blame parenting, Muslims put far to much impetous on learning from Mosques and the Islamic culture is first and foremost and therefore tend not to integrate at a early age!! I didn't have many black friends, and the ones I did have did very well, so I can't put a finger on why a proportion have turned to crime when infact they have had the same opportunities as all immigrants!!! Singh, I applaud you mate. You always talk a lot of sense on these subject!!!
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 It goes back to colonisation, people fearing a black up rising would mean they lost their 'hard earned' profit. That the rape of the white woman would lead to the eventual loss of the 'superior' white race. This mind set has been passed down and not totally lost. People still fear alienation. Black people (along with whites) still live in what can only be described as ghettos, so what the hell do you expect if they don't get the opportunities and education to get out of there? Answer: Crime. Blame the government not the entire Afro-Carribean race. The cynic in me says that this policy is quite deliberate as well. Governments like to have "bogey men" to frighten us with and here is a ready made (only about 2.5% of the total population) pool of people that everyone can have a go at and are powerless to fight back. How many excluded children are Black? Too many as a proportion of the population and so I suggest that the policy is implemented purely to continue the cycle rather than break it.
Steven Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 How is it the government fault that 6 guys rape and murder an innocent teenager. There are millions of people out there who don't get the best start in life but they don't resort to this type of behaviour. **** me we'll be blaming the government for the weather next! Global warming. As I have said before if we follow your logic then what is the point of having Government?
LCFC UK Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 Is it just me or did anyone else second guess that the 6 men found guilty would all be non-white? The thing that worries me is that although I claim not to be racist, does this to some extent prove that I am, or is it just that the crime commited lead me to believe and rightly so that the non of the defendents would be white! I don't mean to offend anyone I'm just trying to get an explanation as to why I was able to second guess to some extent the ethnic origin of the defendents before they were named. They were all released on bail as well when they did the disgusting crime. Scum
Cat Burger Posted 20 March 2006 Posted 20 March 2006 They were all released on bail as well when they did the disgusting crime. Scum What about the other suspects that were arrested and not convicted? You reckon we should just lock them all up in our already over-crowded prisons? Instead of building enough prisons the government gives them computer games to play with and televisions to watch. I wouldn't be suprised if these guys had been in young offenders prisons playing Grand Theft Auto.
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