davieG Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 I've just compiled a list of players and how I feel about them and I came to the conclusion that there are only 5 players at present that do anything for me. Which is pretty disappointing considering that's out of 32. The only saving grace is there are 16 I'm undecided on mostly newcomers and youth players. The full list: Players that inspire and excite me: McCarthy Hume Fryatt Stearman Wesolowski Players I’m undecided on: Kisnorbo Hughes Johnson McAuley Low O’Grady Sheehan Gerrbrand Logan Dodds Porter Smedley Chambers Gradel Scott Lycett Players that do nothing for me: Maybury Kenton Henderson Johansson Players that leave me cold and disappointed: Douglas Williams Tiatto DeVRies Hammond Sylla Hamill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 Williams deserves better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 8 July 2006 Author Share Posted 8 July 2006 Williams deserves better. A very Big wasted talent that I've spent 2 years waiting for some sign that he will come good he hasn't I'm disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighton Matt Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 What's got you all emotional today davieG? A problem shared is a problem halved. It's good to talk... p.s. Henderson will come good this season I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stez Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 A very Big wasted talent that I've spent 2 years waiting for some sign that he will come good he hasn't I'm disappointed. i remember early last season; a ball he put through for connelly it was absolutley sublime. and thats what annoys me about him, the fact he can do that, we all know he can so why doesn't he do it more often? is he in the last year of his contact this year (louise)? if so i bet he'll be fantastic from start to finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 8 July 2006 Author Share Posted 8 July 2006 What's got you all emotional today davieG?A problem shared is a problem halved. It's good to talk... p.s. Henderson will come good this season I reckon. I was just wondering why I had such mixed feelings about the coming season, I know that for MA's last season I wasn't excited at all with his old and experienced approach, last season I was excited due to the influx of what I hoped would be exciting players, this proved not to be the case. This year after looking at the players I now understand where those feelings of being mixed up come from. Let's hope RK can do the trick because after two years of purgatory I need something. Can't say it's halved my problems airing them though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 We should be excited considering the way we finished last season, but I'm not really either. Kelly had a decent bunch of players to work with then and still has, he just needed to sort out the positions where we were lacking in, but hasn't. I think considering we struggled to score the whole of last season, you'd think the main objective this summer was to improve that. But that hasn't been the case for whatever reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 I've just compiled a list of players and how I feel about them and I came to the conclusion that there are only 5 players at present that do anything for me. Which is pretty disappointing considering that's out of 32. The only saving grace is there are 16 I'm undecided on mostly newcomers and youth players. The full list: Players that inspire and excite me: McCarthy Hume Fryatt Stearman Wesolowski Players I’m undecided on: Kisnorbo Hughes Johnson McAuley Low O’Grady Sheehan Gerrbrand Logan Dodds Porter Smedley Chambers Gradel Scott Lycett Players that do nothing for me: Maybury Kenton Henderson Johansson Players that leave me cold and disappointed: Douglas Williams Tiatto DeVRies Hammond Sylla Hamill Slightly different angle......... Players that can play the game Maybury Hughes Weslowski Stearman Fryatt Gerrbrand Players that should offer a whole lot more than they do Hume Williams Douglas Johansson Kisnorbo Kenton de Vries McCarthey Sheehan Players who are lower league McAuley Low Sylla Johnson Players that should not be professionals at LCFC Hamill Henderson Hammond O'Grady Tiatto Players I know jack diddly about so it would be unfair to class them Logan Dodds Porter Smedley Chambers Gradel Scott Lycett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 It is hard to be completely confident in making assessments particularly of players I've not seen, or seen very little but if it conveys my concerns more clearly the following is my view on the following basis: A class - valuable player, 6-10 points. B class - moderate player 3-5 points (should be improved on if possible) C class - below City's required standard. Should be offloaded. 0-2 points. I'll take the players in the order you listed DavieG McCarthy (skipper) A-class. 8 points. Pretty well invaluable and likely to set a stirring example. Hume A-class 8 points. Consistent danger. Excellent partner to Fryatt. Potential 15+ goals Fryatt A-class 9 points. Likely top scorer especially if he takes spot kicks. Stearman A-class 7 points. Hopefully a bit better than that if injury free. Wesolowski A-class 6 points Potential in abundance but needs TLC this year. Kisnorbo A-class 9 points Paul Jewell's no fool. Quality defender. Still a little more to come. Hughes B-class 5 points Not enough goals/assists for an attacker, not strong enough defensively. Johnson A-class 6 points Based on fans views really. A genuine worker. McAuley B-class 5 points Nothing yet to prove or suggest he is better than that. Low B-class 5 Needs to adjust to higher grade but by all accounts inconsistent O'Grady A-class 6 points Useful player. Needs more opportunity to start scoring. Sheehan B-class 4 points Good attacking full-back. Potential but lots to prove. Gerrbrand B-class 5 points Fairly efficient but unexceptional. Logan B-class 3 points Still learning. Some potential. Dodds B-class 4 points Consistent scorer for the reserves. Deceptively effective. Porter B-class 4 points Genuine attacking midfielder. Big year this. Smedley B-class 3 points Youth international who needs to make headway this year Chambers A-class 6 points Genuinely natural striker. Should go along way. Gradel B-class 5 points Natural goalscoring winger. Needs strengthening and fine-tuning Scott No valid assessment Lycett No valid assessment. Maybury B-class 5 points. Just not influential enough as a midfielder. Kenton B-class 5 points. Inconsistent. Couldn't command regular place at Saints Henderson B-class 5 points. Okay but not entirely convincing or commanding Johansson B-class 5 points. Solid defender to a point. Poor distributor and attacker. Douglas B-class 5 points. Never completely convincing Williams A-class 6 points. Has the ability if motivated. Tiatto B-class 4 points. Part-timer last season when demonstrably ineffective. DeVries A-class 6 points. Reasonable goals ratio and difficult to mark if fit. Hammond B-class 5 points. Fast and with potential but needs to be clinical as a striker. Sylla C-class 0 points. No goals, few assists. What's he for Hamill C-class 2 point. Lightweight and inconsequential. That is 32 players and out of a potential 320 points they amass 156 points. Less than halfway to a good team and halfway is the best I think we can hope for in the table without further improvement. I'll doubtless be shot at by the forum but if others rate players more highly then I'll be delighted to be proved wrong because my sincere hope is that everyone does well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted 8 July 2006 Share Posted 8 July 2006 i remember early last season; a ball he put through for connelly it was absolutley sublime. and thats what annoys me about him, the fact he can do that, we all know he can so why doesn't he do it more often? is he in the last year of his contact this year (louise)? if so i bet he'll be fantastic from start to finish! Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louise Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Continuing to divert from davieg's point... How about this statistical analysis to assess how effective a player is (taken from just last season), showing who we've been most successful with on the pitch (substitutions taken into account). Games Won % Ashley Chambers 100% James Wesolowski 60.0% Alan Sheehan 50.0% Matty Fryatt 47.4% Paul Henderson 44.4% Chris O'Grady 41.7% Nils-Eric Johansson 37.8% Patrick Kisnorbo 36.6% Joe Hamill 35.3% Patrick McCarthy 34.1% Richard Stearman 30.8% Momo Sylla 30.0% Mark de Vries 29.4% Stephen Hughes/Iain Hume 28.9% Alan Maybury 28.9% Gareth Williams 28.6% Rab Douglas 25.7% Patrik Gerrbrand 20.0% Danny Tiatto 19.1% Elvis Hammond 16.2% Games Undefeated % Ashley Chambers 100% Paul Henderson 77.8% Alan Sheehan 75.0% Danny Tiatto 71.4% Patrick Kisnorbo 65.9% Nils-Eric Johansson 64.4% Matty Fryatt/Stephen Hughes/Iain Hume 63.2% Gareth Williams 62.9% Patrick McCarthy 61.4% Patrik Gerrbrand/Momo Sylla/James Wesolowski 60.0% Joe Hamill 58.8% Chris O'Grady 58.3% Alan Maybury 57.8% Elvis Hammond 56.8% Richard Stearman 56.4% Mark de Vries 55.9% Rab Douglas 54.3% As it's late I won’t do a huge amount of analysis, just comment that is surprised me how far apart the two 'keepers are on the 'Undefeated' scale and how far down Stearman is and conversely how high up Tiatto is. Obviously some of the percentages are out of proportion because of the small amount of games some players have played, but from the above (with none of the new signings) the most effective team would appear to be: Henderson Kisnorbo McCarthy Johansson Sheehan Sylla Wesolowski Hughes Hamill Chambers Fryatt Looks good, hmm? To davieg's original point, I'd agree that there is a kind of limbo about the players we have, a select few of whom I like and the rest I'm undecided on or dislike. It should be better than Adams's last season with us, when I liked only a couple of the players, but in a way it also makes it more frustrating as we have half a good side, and half a bad/unknown one - at least when most of the players were bad you expected nothing, now you don’t know what to expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Interesting. I'm looking forward to your analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesino_LCFC Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 A very Big wasted talent that I've spent 2 years waiting for some sign that he will come good he hasn't I'm disappointed. Played well after Levein went, seen as thankfully there was a man who could see his ability and actually play him rather than get into arguements with him. Heres mine; Players that will give us a chance of promotion Williams Hughes Wesolowski Stearman Fryatt Humey Kisnorbo O'Grady Johanson (maybe) Players that can (or I think should) offer more De Vries Sheehan Sylla Players that are simply not good enough Henderson Douglas Players that I am unsure about McCarthy Hamill Hammond Maybury Gerrbrand Players I dont know of at all so I cannot judge Logan Dodds Porter Smedley Chambers Gradel Scott Lycett New signings therefore cant judge either McAuley Low Kenton Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Fan Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 I can't believe people are judging players before they have even put on a Leicester shirt - unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gist Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Played well after Levein went, seen as thankfully there was a man who could see his ability and actually play him rather than get into arguements with him. Heres mine; Players that will give us a chance of promotion Williams Hughes Wesolowski Stearman Fryatt Humey Kisnorbo O'Grady Johanson (maybe) Players that can (or I think should) offer more De Vries Sheehan Sylla Players that are simply not good enough Henderson Douglas Players that I am unsure about McCarthy Hamill Hammond Maybury Gerrbrand Players I dont know of at all so I cannot judge Logan Dodds Porter Smedley Chambers Gradel Scott Lycett New signings therefore cant judge either McAuley Low Kenton Johnson What makes you feel unsure with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickyTrev Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Played well after Levein went, seen as thankfully there was a man who could see his ability and actually play him rather than get into arguements with him. Heres mine; Players that will give us a chance of promotion Williams Hughes Wesolowski Stearman Fryatt Humey Kisnorbo O'Grady Johanson (maybe) Players that can (or I think should) offer more De Vries Sheehan Sylla Players that are simply not good enough Henderson Douglas Players that I am unsure about McCarthy Hamill Hammond Maybury Gerrbrand Players I dont know of at all so I cannot judge Logan Dodds Porter Smedley Chambers Gradel Scott Lycett New signings therefore cant judge either McAuley Low Kenton Johnson O'Grady the key to promotion. Lord help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stez Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 What makes you feel unsure with him? panicky paddy he's known as in my house! although he did get more confident towards the end of the season (when he was available!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 9 July 2006 Author Share Posted 9 July 2006 I can't believe people are judging players before they have even put on a Leicester shirt - unbelievable. No ones judging them we just saying how we feel which in genreal has been stated as unsure / need to prove themselves. In fact I would say that after last year when lots of people prejudged Levein's signing as good the opposite to what you say is true in that we not going to be taken in by previous performances/reviews. Most people with respect to the new signings are quite rightly siting on the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandannieldanok Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 What makes you feel unsure with him? That was what i was thinking, one of our best players in my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartonFox Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 panicky paddy he's known as in my house! although he did get more confident towards the end of the season (when he was available!) Be careful Paddy is the hero of the youth. People are so desperate for a new Steve Walsh that he gets special treatment compared to those who are vastly superior both technically and tactically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 I'm not excited at all, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigneville Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 I'm not excited at all, to be fair. About anything in life at all????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesino_LCFC Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 What makes you feel unsure with him? Suspensions and cards. He 'sometimes' looses his head in my opinion, and other times he plays great, so we cant afford for a player who is going to play week in week out for us and get needless suspensions and cards etc. O'Grady the key to promotion. Lord help us. 'One of' the keys to promotion. He looked very good when he came on against Plymouth and he is also young so always improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 I don't know how anyone can be sure of O'Grady's value. He improved markedly last season but was sparingly used and, from what I saw, simply did the job that was asked of him by Kelly. That marks him to me as first and foremost a team player and a listener, whereas Tiatto, for example, would wander all over the place when given what appeaared to be a specific role. So how could one ever judge O'Grady as a first team striker when he never really plays in that role. Tell you what though. I'd would happily have him in my squad, and way ahead of one or two others I could name. He seems to have qualities I admire. Extraordinary fitness, strength, dedication, reliability and, at least judging by his forward play in the Reserves, good control and not a little skill. In other words, he's an asset and how big an asset we should see this season if he gets a bigger role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedging Posted 9 July 2006 Share Posted 9 July 2006 Heres mine; Good call overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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