And at Mansfield....

[Babylon]

Yep, also since he's been there they've lost 1-0, 2-0, 1-0, 2-1 and 4-0 in the space of a month. Let's keep a balance on these thoughts shall we, i'm not saying he was directly at fault for all goals conceeded since he's been there, but primarily he's a defender.

^Don't say that Benji, don't you know he should walk into our defence. He has played well in two games in division four, forget the fact they have shipped quite a few goals recently. I'm sure none were his fault.

Oh and the penalty he missed, I heard It was Nils fault as he was in the crowd shouting things at him to put him off. He has made it into team of the week while there you know, that must mean he is an amazing talent. Forget the fact that Low made team of the season for that division last year... we all know he is shit because Kelly signed him.

We should recall him now and play him instead of Nils... Kelly OUT!^

Ok it's tongue in cheek... but lets keep things in perspective here. I didn't see a new thread about Sheehan appear when he shipped four goals the other week!!!!

[Jay]

^Don't say that Benji, don't you know he should walk into our defence. He has played well in two games in division four, forget the fact they have shipped quite a few goals recently. I'm sure none were his fault.

Oh and the penalty he missed, I heard It was Nils fault as he was in the crowd shouting things at him to put him off. He has made it into team of the week while there you know, that must mean he is an amazing talent. Forget the fact that Low made team of the season for that division last year... we all know he is shit because Kelly signed him.

We should recall him now and play him instead of Nils... Kelly OUT!^

Ok it's tongue in cheek... but lets keep things in perspective here. I didn't see a new thread about Sheehan appear when he shipped four goals the other week!!!!

exactly!!

I also remember a few years ago when Stephen Dawson left us how many of the same people were outraged one even said it was a bigger disaster than 911!!!

as far as I am aware he's still at Mansfield and hasn't been poached by Real Madrid, Chelsea and Man Utd yet!! and hasn't turned out to be the worlds greatest midfielder the new Roy Keane as was suggested

For the first time in many many years we can say we have a manager who if you are good enough and prove your worth you will get a game Porter,Logan, O'Grady, Weslowski are examples of this!!!

[Hullfox]

For the first time in many many years we can say we have a manager who if you are good enough and prove your worth you will get a game Porter,Logan, O'Grady, Weslowski are examples of this!!!

Spot on.

[lookwhaticando]

exactly!!

I also remember a few years ago when Stephen Dawson left us how many of the same people were outraged one even said it was a bigger disaster than 911!!!

as far as I am aware he's still at Mansfield and hasn't been poached by Real Madrid, Chelsea and Man Utd yet!! and hasn't turned out to be the worlds greatest midfielder the new Roy Keane as was suggested

For the first time in many many years we can say we have a manager who if you are good enough and prove your worth you will get a game Porter,Logan, O'Grady, Weslowski are examples of this!!!

Dawson is indeed still Mansfield (still) - he made something like 34 starts last season (out of 46 games). I think he scored a goal, too.

I agree with your comments RE: the kids getting a chance. We've brought two more in, in just the first 10 games of the season. At that rate, by the end of the season, we'd have 9 more kids that played for the first team.

Yes, I know that 9/season number is useless and irrelavent.

[Thracian]

There are still guys on this forum, Lookwhat, who would never divert from having a team full of experienced campaigners if they could and would claim that City played well even if they barely mustered a shot.

They have rarely championed any young players claims and even discouraged changing a winning team for the future's sake, even when we were safe. Even when the team stopped winning they refused to criticise either the manager or the players.

They'll grumble about Sheehan shipping four goals while ignoring the fact that all of City's old guard have been on the receiving end of four goals in their time here too.

I wonder, were it not for the internet and for so many fans being aware of the young players' ability, how many of those players would ever break through to the first team. We've got five now. And we've never had five in the past as I can recall. Funny that.

They keep on about my views on Sheehan well knowing that I'd be perfectly happy with any decent attacking full-back. But, like I say, they resist change. Some even disbelieve that we don't need an attacking left-back to help make our team run more smoothly.

And if your philsophy is to be happy with bore draws or defensive 1-0 victories (pity we can't avoid the narrow defeats too) then they might be right.

But it means there's little wonder therefore we remain in transition and look likely to remain in transition for months yet at least.

I simply look forward to seeing a team of players who compliment each other and have a collective desire to try to win every match and a willingness to attack in unison, rather than as isolated cells.

[Babylon]

There are still guys on this forum, Lookwhat, who would never divert from having a team full of experienced campaigners if they could and would claim that City played well even if they barely mustered a shot.

Yeah there are people singing Kellys praises all the time isn't there. Saying how great it was we didn't get a shot on goal, saying it was great under Adams when we had a pile of pensioners. Errr no there isn't.

There is though, lots of people who are tired of hearing about Alan Sheehan being the answer to our problems. The kid has been average for Mansfield... no more, no less.

If the manager thinks he is good enough, I am more than happy for him to get his chance. Like Stearman, like Wesolowski, like Porter, like O'Grady, like Logan. But you will never let it rest, it's never because he's not ready. It'll be because Kelly doesn't like attacking players, or Kelly doesn't like how he speaks up for himsel.

They'll grumble about Sheehan shipping four goals while ignoring the fact that all of City's old guard have been on the receiving end of four goals in their time here too.

Who has let four goals in? The back four that plays most games has let in two goals twice this season. against West Brom one was an own goal and the other was a penalty!! I'm sure you'll come back and say well that's because Kellys sets out to defend... maybe... but the facts show our defence isn't too bad.

I wonder, were it not for the internet and for so many fans being aware of the young players' ability, how many of those players would ever break through to the first team. We've got five now. And we've never had five in the past as I can recall. Funny that.

Yeah, there as so many because you come on here and grumble every five minutes about playing this youngster or that youngster. I'm sorry Thracian but wake up. The season we have so many youngsters in is because we have never had so little money to spend in recent history. I remember Brian Little shipping out £340,000 on mark blake many moons ago.... we can't even afford that now days!!!

We have some decent youngsters, but to kid ourselves they are so much better than what went before is in my opinion wrong. It may seem so because they are getting into the first team, but the main reason for that is above!!

[Jonbluefox9]

I think it's Sheehan's attitude that has limited his first team chances with us so far but hopefully he will appreciate what he's got at Leicester when he comes back from Mansfield and work hard to use the opportunities he has on offer here. If he'd rather stay at Mansfield permanently and they want to sign him then he can go because if that was the case, he obviously doesn't believe in himself enough to make it at a club that is desperately in need of a left back. If I was him, I'd relish coming back and showing that I'm willing to get my head down and force my way in.

Going on to Mattock, I think he looks a very strong full back, doesn't pull out of challenges (despite what people say about his second booking, he made a couple of dangerous challenges first half and was probably lucky to get away with just a booking) and he's dangerous going forward. Whips in a decent ball and can play further forward which is useful. Physically, he and Garner look twice their actual age and would benefit from reserve team football at some stage this season. Think at this moment in time, one game a week is enough but there will come atime when they will be looking to push up a level because the Academy games become too easy. Unfortuantely, no reserve league means they will have to stay at this level for this season at least. Haven't seen for myself but I think he trained with the first team during the last international break although I may have heard wrong. For a lad of his age the future looks bright. Great in the air too. Apart from that, don't want to build him up too much

[Fez of Mahrez]

Thanks for that JBF. The Villa right winger appeared to be one of their better players and they seemed to isolate Mattock a fair bit in the first half when Beswick wasn't helping him out but it was difficult to see from where I was stood.

[MBK]

We have some decent youngsters, but to kid ourselves they are so much better than what went before is in my opinion wrong. It may seem so because they are getting into the first team, but the main reason for that is above!!

If nothing placing these kids under the spotlight of fans should give them more will to impress and improve...no?

Plus who cares if money or watever is not available...my guess is getting a good attack minded coach on staff plus couple of permanent fitness coaches for hughes, williams and johnson should get their engine in place...

What irks me off is this crap about how bad Low is, he s trying harder than tiatto, nisse and johnson premium quality merceneries are aint he? oh and hammond! though one never knows if he s our lucky star hehe

[Manwell Pablo]

This thread is a absloute joke.

Alan Sheehan was rubbish yesterday, and it was Jellymans cross that led to Mansifelds first goal.

your having a laugh Thracian.

[filbertway]

This thread is a absloute joke.

Alan Sheehan was rubbish yesterday, and it was Jellymans cross that led to Mansifelds first goal.

your having a laugh Thracian.

9:05 GOAL - Danny Reet

Mansfield 1 - Notts County 0Cross by Alan Sheehan (Mansfield), goal by Danny Reet (Mansfield) right-footed (top-left of goal) from centre of penalty area (6 yards).Mansfield 1-0 Notts County. Assist (header) by Richard Barker (Mansfield) from right side of six-yard box.

18:14 GOAL - Danny Reet

Mansfield 2 - Notts County 0Floated corner from right by-line taken right-footed by Alan Sheehan (Mansfield) to centre, header by Richard Barker (Mansfield) from left side of six-yard box (6 yards), hit bar. Goal by Danny Reet (Mansfield) right-footed (bottom-right of goal) from left side of six-yard box (6 yards).Mansfield 2-0 Notts County. Assist by Richard Barker (Mansfield) from right side of six-yard box.

From BBC

[filbertway]

Also on the stagsnet forum they say the turning point in the game was when they bought Sheehan off.

[Manwell Pablo]

Either way neither assist is his, Mansfield Town fans have said he played poorly!! Why are we praising him for a poor performance even if he did over hit a cross which had to be headed back, and he took a corner.

[Manwell Pablo]

Also on the stagsnet forum they say the turning point in the game was when they bought Sheehan off.

Not ere they don't

[Thracian]

From the BBC:

18:14 GOAL - Danny Reet

Mansfield 2 - Notts County 0

Floated corner from right by-line taken right-footed by Alan Sheehan (Mansfield) to centre, header by Richard Barker (Mansfield) from left side of six-yard box (6 yards), hit bar. Goal by Danny Reet (Mansfield) right-footed (bottom-right of goal) from left side of six-yard box (6 yards).Mansfield 2-0 Notts County. Assist by Richard Barker (Mansfield) from right side of six-yard box.

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9:05 GOAL - Danny Reet

Mansfield 1 - Notts County 0

Cross by Alan Sheehan (Mansfield), goal by Danny Reet (Mansfield) right-footed (top-left of goal) from centre of penalty area (6 yards).Mansfield 1-0 Notts County. Assist (header) by Richard Barker (Mansfield) from right side of six-yard box.

[Manwell Pablo]

This may amaze you but the BBC on occasion get things wrong.

EITHER WAY IT'S NOT HIS ASSIST.

Filbetway you are also tarting him up in a similar fashion to Thracian.

They are saying Giles Coke coming on was went it went wrong, not when Sheehan went off, as by the sounds it Coke was even worse.

[filbertway]

This may amaze you but the BBC on occasion get things wrong.

EITHER WAY IT'S NOT HIS ASSIST.

Filbetway you are also tarting him up in a similar fashion to Thracian.

They are saying Giles Coke coming on was went it went wrong, not when Sheehan went off, as by the sounds it Coke was even worse.

Fair play, I was jsut going off what people from the forum were saying.

You've probably got a better idea anyway as ive not seen him play for mansfield

[Manwell Pablo]

Just didn't want another Alan Sheehan love in when he's done nothing to deserve it.

[Sparky]

it seems to me that we are going from 1 extreme to the other .

thraction over praising sheehan

others ripping the poor lad for every little thing he does wrong just so they can tell thrach that thrach has got it wrong and the lad is crap

mansfield obviously like him as they have extended his loan so lets look at the bigger picture and judge his loan spell on the whole

[filbertway]

it seems to me that we are going from 1 extreme to the other .

thraction over praising sheehan

others ripping the poor lad for every little thing he does wrong just so they can tell thrach that thrach has got it wrong and the lad is crap

mansfield obviously like him as they have extended his loan so lets look at the bigger picture and judge his loan spell on the whole

Thats the right idea

[Manwell Pablo]

it seems to me that we are going from 1 extreme to the other .

thraction over praising sheehan

others ripping the poor lad for every little thing he does wrong just so they can tell thrach that thrach has got it wrong and the lad is crap

mansfield obviously like him as they have extended his loan so lets look at the bigger picture and judge his loan spell on the whole

I'm not ripping him to pieces, he just didn't have a good game and it annoys me when Thracian comes on to this forum singing Alan Sheehans praises when he's been poor

[Sparky]

I'm not ripping him to pieces, he just didn't have a good game and it annoys me when Thracian comes on to this forum singing Alan Sheehans praises when he's been poor

i think thrach leaves himself open to people giving sheehan stick due to sheehan being built up as much as he has . expectation levels are higher than they should be . sheehan COULD be a good player for this club but lets see when/if he gets a chance

[Thracian]

This may amaze you but the BBC on occasion get things wrong.

EITHER WAY IT'S NOT HIS ASSIST.

Filbetway you are also tarting him up in a similar fashion to Thracian.

They are saying Giles Coke coming on was went it went wrong, not when Sheehan went off, as by the sounds it Coke was even worse.

The only reason for the BBC's live ball-by-ball account is to give an accurate ball-by-ball type account of

of what went on, nothing more.

If you were at the match and are categorically saying the BBC are wrong I'll accept that because BBC journalists no longer have the reputation for being factually accurate as they once did.

But I think it was perfectly reasonable to quote such a source in good faith.

JBF mentions Mattock and I would be delighted if he came through to be a solution to our left-back problems but the fact remains we need someone quickly and I cannot see Mattock getting the job this season.

That RK didn't get anyone in the close season still astounds me and I see little real hope for the functioning of our team until that changes, along with the midfield problem.

I've promoted Sheehan because this time last year I had every reason to have every faith in him and he's remained our best attacking option when fit because any form of attacking alternative fails to exist.

But the reaction to his sending off against Crewe showed to me that he'll always be up against it at Leicester and sadly, anyone else who comes in for the job will probably face the same resistance.

Why? Because as the dourists rightly say. Our defence is okay. But only because that's all it does. Defend.

And the result of that is our seemingly permanent position near the foot of the League.

Just charge about and get stuck in is the

[Babylon]

it seems to me that we are going from 1 extreme to the other .

thraction over praising sheehan

others ripping the poor lad for every little thing he does wrong just so they can tell thrach that thrach has got it wrong and the lad is crap

mansfield obviously like him as they have extended his loan so lets look at the bigger picture and judge his loan spell on the whole

No one is ripping him to shreds for doing something wrong. I just think praise should be given when deserved.

The only problem people have with Sheehan is the amount column inches his name gets on here.

Had he not been built up so much, people would be as supportive as they are with our other youngsters. As it is, people are probably hoping he fails (as you say), because they are sick of the hype and they don't want to hear it anymore.

[Thracian]

No one is ripping him to shreds for doing something wrong. I just think praise should be given when deserved.

The only problem people have with Sheehan is the amount column inches his name gets on here.

Had he not been built up so much, people would be as supportive as they are with our other youngsters. As it is, people are probably hoping he fails (as you say), because they are sick of the hype and they don't want to hear it anymore.

I wouldn't want to imply that you've ripped him to shreds for one minute, but Sheehan was cateogorically ripped to shreds after his sending off against Crewe.

The column inches have mounted because the left-back problem has continuously been ignored, presumably because the peoople in power don't think we have a problem or are not willing to address it for whatever reason.

I'll happily desist when it's attended to and when our team plays the sort of football which does the club justice, whether that involves sheehan (which I seriously doubt) or not.