Team v Preston

[Ric Flair]

But Hammond has scored goals and made them!.

He's scored 2 goals this season (1 of them in the cup against League 2 opposition) and as for his assists, I can't recall any coming directly from him. I know he's had a hand in a few, but he's not actually set many up. Plus, he's gone off the boil. His goals and assists you talk about happened about 5 or so games ago. But in the past 4 or 5 games, Momo Sylla has provided 3 goals for us. Meritocricy please from the man who advocates it.

[Bert]

1. You've only seen Porter play centre mid at reserve level, championship level is a big step up.

2. You say Hammond has scored and created goals, he's also missed his fair of chances and wasted decent opportunities, with his inability to control the ball.

[Manwell Pablo]

1. You've only seen Porter play centre mid at reserve level, championship level is a big step up.

2. You say Hammond has scored and created goals, he's also missed his fair of chances and wasted decent opportunities, with his inability to control the ball.

He hasn't created goals. He's ran into people, bundled about, and headed the ball up in the air aimlessly before Hume smashed it home from 25 yards, hardly creative. He's scored one goal at this level this season. He's fuking useless.

[Thracian]

He hasn't created goals. He's ran into people, bundled about, and headed the ball up in the air aimlessly before Hume smashed it home from 25 yards, hardly creative. He's scored one goal at this level this season. He's fuking useless.

It says in my programme he's scored two - in half the games Fryatt's played - and of course he laid on a sitter for Porter at Hereford from which he Porter was fouled for the penalty.

Hammond also scored four goals last season from 19 appearances compared with Sylla's no goals from 25 (and still no goals this season!).

[Bert]

Is Sylla is a striker? His primary job is to create the goals, whereas Elvis' is to score.

4 goals from 19? Get in there.

You're also foegetting Elvis has only played whilst Fryatt AND O'Grady have been injured.

[Ric Flair]

It says in my programme he's scored two - in half the games Fryatt's played - and of course he laid on a sitter for Porter at Hereford from which he Porter was fouled for the penalty.

Hammond also scored four goals last season from 19 appearances compared with Sylla's no goals from 25 (and still no goals this season!).

Thracian, if your going to talk about last season on the basis of selecting players then Fryatt should automatically play due to his goals and assists.

We are talking about current form. Momo Sylla has set up 3 goals in his last 4 or 5 games. Elvis Hammond had a brief spell a month or so ago where he scored a goal and had a hand in one or two goals (although neither were scored directly from a Hammond pass).

If Hammond had done this in the past few games and was dropped for Sylla who then didn't create any goals then I could accept your point. But your criticism of Sylla and your praise for Elvis is for stuff that happened in the past and considering you pride yourself on picking players on current form, regradless of reputation then your letting yourself down here and contradicting yourself.

[fox123]

-------------------logan

----stearman kisnorbo mccauley nils

-----------------wesolowski

---------------hughes williams

hume-------------------------------porter

--------------------fryatt

this is the formation i'd like to see with hume and porter supporting fryatt!

[Manwell Pablo]

It says in my programme he's scored two (One against the mighty Bulls) - in half the games Fryatt's played - and of course he laid on a sitter for Porter at Hereford from which he Porter was fouled for the penalty.

Hammond also scored four goals last season from 19 appearances compared with Sylla's no goals from 25 (and still no goals this season!).

Seems he'd suit League Two quite well then . Shame he's been useless since.

Four goals well done Elvis!!!! Fryatt scored 22 last season including 8 at Leicester in half a season.

Sylla has talent and seems to finally be putting some effort into his football, if you were as commited to seeing a complete footballing side as you claim you would take note of his contribution in the last three games.

But of course as much as you claim you do you don't call things how you see them and you have your faviourates, "Chosen Men" if you will.

[The People's Hero]

On current form, Sylla deserves to play. In his last 4 appearances he's had 3 assists. Stick that up Hammond's muck pipe and smoke it.

Definitely.

Effort aside.. Sylla can play football. Hammond can't.

If we're going to pick Hammond for his workrate, you may as well pick me, Flair or even one-eyed Fez (and his 5 a side team gets stuffed every week! )

[dandannieldanok]

Hendo

Stearman

Kisnorbo

McAuley

Johansson

Sylla

Hughes <_<

Tiatto

Porter

Hume

Fryatt

Subs - Logan, Maybury, Welsh, O'Grady, Hammond

[Thracian]

Thracian, if your going to talk about last season on the basis of selecting players then Fryatt should automatically play due to his goals and assists.

We are talking about current form. Momo Sylla has set up 3 goals in his last 4 or 5 games. Elvis Hammond had a brief spell a month or so ago where he scored a goal and had a hand in one or two goals (although neither were scored directly from a Hammond pass).

If Hammond had done this in the past few games and was dropped for Sylla who then didn't create any goals then I could accept your point. But your criticism of Sylla and your praise for Elvis is for stuff that happened in the past and considering you pride yourself on picking players on current form, regradless of reputation then your letting yourself down here and contradicting yourself.

The only reason I've hung fire a bit on Fryatt is over what he did last season. He has shown virtually no reason to pick him this term at all.

If you say Momo's made three I'll accept what you say although from what I gather last week one of the assists actually came off a defender but it matters not.

I've seen lots of Sylla and he'll have to do much more to convince me he's any sort of an effective footballer. Even the last couple of weeks lots of people said he still didn't play well.

And if some posters believe wingers should only make rather than score goals that's their opinion but it's certainly not mine.

So we are left theoretically deciding whether to pursue 4-4-2 with a poor right winger or go 4-3-3 and increase our goals potential.

Seeing as we're short on goals potential and two in midfield is not strong enough to protect a City defence which is more vulnerable than I thought when left underprotected then I'd go for 4-3-3 and do away with the need to put anyone in one of our weak positions...until such time as we've a proper alternative.

I actually think it is hard to sustain a case for either Sylla or Hammond but, as I said, there is no doubt in my mind I wouldn't have Sylla and, indeed, I wouldn't persist with other perceived weaknesses that constantly go unrepaired.

Whether the alternatives, including 4-3-3, would prove any better I don't know, but I would find out. I wouldn't persist with a lost cause and there is no doubt our present system, with our present players, doesn't work properly.

[Ric Flair]

The only reason I've hung fire a bit on Fryatt is over what he did last season. He has shown virtually no reason to pick him this term at all.

If you say Momo's made three I'll accept what you say although from what I gather last week one of the assists actually came off a defender but it matters not.

I've seen lots of Sylla and he'll have to do much more to convince me he's any sort of an effective footballer. Even the last couple of weeks lots of people said he still didn't play well.

And if some posters believe wingers should only make rather than score goals that's their opinion but it's certainly not mine.

So we are left theoretically deciding whether to pursue 4-4-2 with a poor right winger or go 4-3-3 and increase our goals potential.

Seeing as we're short on goals potential and two in midfield is not strong enough to protect a City defence which is more vulnerable than I thought when left underprotected then I'd go for 4-3-3 and do away with the need to put anyone in one of our weak positions...until such time as we've a proper alternative.

I actually think it is hard to sustain a case for either Sylla or Hammond but, as I said, there is no doubt in my mind I wouldn't have Sylla and, indeed, I wouldn't persist with other perceived weaknesses that constantly go unrepaired.

Whether the alternatives, including 4-3-3, would prove any better I don't know, but I would find out. I wouldn't persist with a lost cause and there is no doubt our present system, with our present players, doesn't work properly.

I'm not one of Sylla's biggest fans, but taking everything in to consideration and the fact we've got a lack of decent right sided midfielders I believe he deserves to play at present. He's had his faults in the past, he's still got some of them but in the past few games he's still provided the team with some creativity. His assist for Hume's goal was superb and if this is him trying to make ammends for his poor season last season then fair play to him. He looks more determined and until there is someone that can rival him for the right wing position then he deserves his place. Obviously if the assists and creativity dries up and he starts playing poorly again then i'd expect Kelly to do something about it.

[Thracian]

I'm not one of Sylla's biggest fans, but taking everything in to consideration and the fact we've got a lack of decent right sided midfielders I believe he deserves to play at present. He's had his faults in the past, he's still got some of them but in the past few games he's still provided the team with some creativity. His assist for Hume's goal was superb and if this is him trying to make ammends for his poor season last season then fair play to him. He looks more determined and until there is someone that can rival him for the right wing position then he deserves his place. Obviously if the assists and creativity dries up and he starts playing poorly again then i'd expect Kelly to do something about it.

I'm already converted to the idea Sylla's playing better than last season - I'm just not convinced that makes him anywhere near a strong enough player for our team.

Clearly Kelly recognises the problem. At different times in his managership, he has used Hughes, Stearman, Maybury, Low and Sylla on the right - and all of them looked awful for one reason or another.

He won't use the only genuine right winger we've got - Max Gradel - presumably because he's not temperamentally or physically ready, or both.

So to my mind his only alternative is to change the system until he's got someone who can score goals and make goals consistently from the right flank.

To give an example of what he's looking for, Gradel has so far scored 9 goals in 10 appearances on the Academy team's right wing, about the same rate as last season from memory despite all his mouthiness and reactionary outbursts.

I'm not arguing that Kelly is wrong about Gradel - temperamental players seem to bother him much more than they'd bother me and neither Kelly nor Gradel are going to change so I wonder what they are doing together really - but a finished footballer with Gradel's sort of ability is what's required on our right, not some makeweight solution.

[lcfc_jme]

Logan

Stears

LwicdMcAuley

Kisnorbo (el capitan)

Nils

MoMo SyLLa

Hughes

Danny T (providing Weso is unavailable)

Porter

Hume

Fryatt

Subs: Hendo, Maybury, Welsh, Hammond, O'Grady

[Manwell Pablo]

I'm already converted to the idea Sylla's playing better than last season - I'm just not convinced that makes him anywhere near a strong enough player for our team.

Clearly Kelly recognises the problem. At different times in his managership, he has used Hughes, Stearman, Maybury, Low and Sylla on the right - and all of them looked awful for one reason or another.

He won't use the only genuine right winger we've got - Max Gradel - presumably because he's not temperamentally or physically ready, or both.

So to my mind his only alternative is to change the system until he's got someone who can score goals and make goals consistently from the right flank.

To give an example of what he's looking for, Gradel has so far scored 9 goals in 10 appearances on the Academy team's right wing, about the same rate as last season from memory despite all his mouthiness and reactionary outbursts.

I'm not arguing that Kelly is wrong about Gradel - temperamental players seem to bother him much more than they'd bother me and neither Kelly nor Gradel are going to change so I wonder what they are doing together really - but a finished footballer with Gradel's sort of ability is what's required on our right, not some makeweight solution.

Ah Max Gradels back.

I actually think he might be worth a go when Sylla gets to comfortable in his position again, which I'm fairly sure is a case of when and not if.

But he's another one you wont be seeing for the foreseeable as when you punch somebody during a academy game I'm fairly sure the ban covers first team games as well, with it being violent conduct and all.

[Finn Claw]

I reckon we should go for this side,

C Logan

R stearman, J Mattlock, J Magunda, A Sheehan

M Gradel, A King, L Porter, E Odhiambo

A Chambers, B Mckay

Give the youth a chance they are all great

[Thracian]

I reckon we should go for this side,

C Logan

R stearman, J Mattlock, J Magunda, A Sheehan

M Gradel, A King, L Porter, E Odhiambo

A Chambers, B Mckay

Give the youth a chance they are all great

Not likely seeing as most have a game Saturday morning - and I bet they have more shots in the first half-hour than the first team muster in a month. Different standard of course - but different approach and different philosophy too. Like a breath of fresh air really.

[lookwhaticando]

I reckon we should go for this side,

C Logan

R stearman, J Mattlock, J Magunda, A Sheehan

M Gradel, A King, L Porter, E Odhiambo

A Chambers, B Mckay

Give the youth a chance they are all great

[Thracian]

Mattlock - or Matlock ....it follows on from the idea that Dutch guy had of putting where you hail from on the shirt!.

As the commentator said, imagine what it'd cost to put Vennegoor of Hesselink on the shirt.

And why stop there?

We can have Nils-Eric-Johansson of wherever ... that'll keep the lettering boys happy.

And perhaps if we get a player with a double-barrelled name living in a double-barrelled village like Sutton Bonington he could have lettering twice round the shirt!

Anyone wearing red and white would look like a mobile stick of rock.

[Suffolk_fox]

I think Rob K has been playing FM2007

Quote from Thursday's Mockery

"The Leicester City boss expressed his admiration for the job Paul Simpson has done at Preston since taking over in the summer."