DB11 Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Ok, there is a lot of transfer talk going on, and most of it surrounds possible forward additions. But, do we really need any more strikers? Personally, I think that Hume/Fryatt/Hammond are perfectly capable and up to standards Your views?
davieG Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Well something needs to be done to up the scoring rate, look at the goals for and the top goal scoreres and compare them to our strikers: Pos Team P W D L F A GD Pts 1 Birmingham City 27 16 5 6 46 26 20 53 2 Derby County 27 15 5 7 36 28 8 50 3 Preston North End 27 13 8 6 40 28 12 47 4 West Bromwich Albion 28 13 7 8 51 33 18 46 5 Southampton 27 12 9 6 44 32 12 45 6 Colchester United 27 13 4 10 45 30 15 43 7 Stoke City 26 12 7 7 35 21 14 43 8 Cardiff City 27 11 10 6 36 28 8 43 9 Wolverhampton Wanderers 27 12 6 9 28 29 -1 42 10 Sunderland 27 12 4 11 36 32 4 40 11 Sheffield Wednesday 27 11 7 9 39 37 2 40 12 Burnley 26 10 7 9 32 28 4 37 13 Plymouth Argyle 27 8 12 7 33 34 -1 36 14 Ipswich Town 27 10 5 12 37 37 0 35 15 Crystal Palace 27 9 7 11 31 32 -1 34 16 Coventry City 27 10 4 13 25 31 -6 34 17 Norwich City 27 9 7 11 34 42 -8 34 18 Leicester City 27 8 8 11 26 34 -8 32 19 Luton Town 28 8 7 13 37 48 -11 31 20 Queens Park Rangers 27 8 6 13 34 41 -7 30 21 Hull City 27 7 6 14 27 38 -11 27 22 Barnsley 27 7 5 15 29 47 -18 26 23 Leeds United 27 7 3 17 27 49 -22 24 24 Southend United 27 4 9 14 22 45 -23 21 Player Team Goals Robert Earnshaw Norwich City 17 Grzegorz Rasiak Southampton 16 Jamie Cureton Colchester United 13 Chris Iwelumo Colchester United 13 Gary McSheffrey Birmingham City 12 Michael Chopra Cardiff City 12 Rowan Vine Luton Town 12 Diomansy Kamara West Bromwich Albion 12 Andy Gray Burnley 10 Steve Howard Derby County 10 Player Goals Iain Hume 8 Patrick Kisnorbo 6 Elvis Hammond 4 Levi Porter 3 Stephen Hughes 3 Richard Stearman 3 Patrick McCarthy 2 Matt Fryatt 2 Danny Cadamarteri 1 Chris O`Grady 1
Hullfox Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Ok, there is a lot of transfer talk going on, and most of it surrounds possible forward additions. But, do we really need any more strikers? Personally, I think that Hume/Fryatt/Hammond are perfectly capable and up to standards Your views? Yes we do.
breadandcheese Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 We definitely need more strikers, but more urgently better midfielders. That is where a lot of our problems have lay all season.
Tubes Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 We definitely need more strikers, but more urgently better midfielders. That is where a lot of our problems have lay all season. we should get rid of o'grady and hammond bring one striker in to replace then and have dodds as back up if we get injuries
mat_j101 Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Yes we really do need a striker, a big one. I dont mind starting two smaller strikers, but we need someone bigger on the bench to bring on if we arent getting anything done
Webbo Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 i think our strikers are ok. the priority should some quality midfielders to set them up.
breadandcheese Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 we should get rid of o'grady and hammond bring one striker in to replace then and have dodds as back up if we get injuries We should get rid of a lot of sh*t masquerading as footballers. We seem to be trying to do that with Sylla & Low both gone. If Elvis & O'Grady were to go, I wouldn't be too sad, but we would need to bring in a big powerful forward, something we are severely lacking. You only have to see the damage Mooney caused Chelsea in the cup to see how effective this is.
Flynny Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 We should get rid of a lot of sh*t masquerading as footballers. We seem to be trying to do that with Sylla & Low both gone. If Elvis & O'Grady were to go, I wouldn't be too sad, but we would need to bring in a big powerful forward, something we are severely lacking. You only have to see the damage Mooney caused Chelsea in the cup to see how effective this is. Danny C's hardly a giant but has a bit more weight on him. If we somehow get the best out of him again then it will go some way towards solving that problem.
Rossatron Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 If Fryatt starts to show that he is capable, then it should be ok elvis would be ok cover although he isnt the best!
DaveyJ Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 A bigger striker is neccessary imo, but a new CM or RM is mor eof a priotity. With better service Fryatt and Hume can easily do the job. For me midfield is still our weakest area.
Thracian Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 I bet Dodds would be really encouraged reading this thread. There is no way - not any way at all - that Dodds would get to the middle of a season with no more than two goals to his name in any standard of football. Twenty-odd games? I'd say 6 goals minimum even with such a piss-poor supply chain and more than that if we get a proper right winger, a proper left back and a genuinely attacking central midfield player.
Mort Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Hume good... Fryatt is still yet to show his worth and Hammond is (without doubting his enthusiasm) cack, Dodds needs to be given a shot as he's been consistently proving himself at every level but the first team and should either be given a chance in the first team or sent out on loan to a decent club in a decent league (if somone as out of form as Fryatt is getting their chance why no Dodds!?). Beyond that we probably do need to bring in a striker who can hold up and/or work as a target man... would probably be a pricey buy but i think that that one signing is all that is needed in terms of strikers, the really weak area is the midfield and its needs addressing promptly loan signings from the prem or this division in the short term and then a proper effort at a permanent solution in the summer (along with the managment, coaching staff and about a third of the playing staff).
barmy76uk Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 hume is a great player ogrady and dodds are up and coming. fryatt is not good enough for the conference! hammond is a good player not enough goals though
DB11 Posted 13 January 2007 Author Posted 13 January 2007 i think our strikers are ok. the priority should some quality midfielders to set them up. That is 100% my view too
lookwhaticando Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Yes. We need to replace O'Grady, he's not up to it. Sell him to Rushden & Diamonds.
Geo V Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 we should get rid of o'grady and hammond bring one striker in to replace then and have dodds as back up if we get injuries The noises were being made about O`Grady and he hasnt set the world alight thus far so whats to guarantee Dodds is theback-up man?!! I think it all depends on what we want to achieve. Birmingham have spent £11m on 3 Championship strikers in Vine, Jerome and McSheffery whilst we have added Hume and Fryatt from the lower leagues. If we want to REALLY compete we have to take the spending up a notch and at least buy players proven in this division and not take punts on the lower leagues all the time (although Hume has done well and Fryatt can hopefully make that grade)
DB11 Posted 13 January 2007 Author Posted 13 January 2007 Well today Fryatt and Hume were showing glimpses of their form last season
Webbo Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 I bet Dodds would be really encouraged reading this thread. There is no way - not any way at all - that Dodds would get to the middle of a season with no more than two goals to his name in any standard of foottball. Twenty-odd games? I'd say 6 goals minimum even with such a piss-poor supply chain and more than that if we get a proper right winger, a proper left back and a genuinely attacking central midfield player. i bet fryatt's really encouraged reading your threads.personally i couldn't give a sh1t what any of the players think of these threads, and i doubt very much they read them anyway.
Wils Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 Today our strikers played very well,Fryatt looks like hes finally getting his sharpness back and Hume as ever had a good game. Fryatt just needs to see the net again.
Geo V Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 i bet fryatt's really encouraged reading your threads.personally i couldn't give a sh1t what any of the players think of these threads, and i doubt very much they read them anyway. I`m not so sure. These footballers have so much free-time on there hands these days it wouldnt suprise me to hear that some of them joined on and had a read. I used to run a PBM game (Play By Mail footy game) about 14 years ago and believe it or not I had about 12 "famous" football people in it as managers including commentators and footballers. What time does footy training finish these days???!! Time enough to spend the day in the bookies thats for sure!!
lcfc_jme Posted 13 January 2007 Posted 13 January 2007 **lots of stats and numbers** That really is dreadful. If I've looked through those properly and calculated it correctly, we have the second worst goalscoring record in this league?? That is absolutely abysmal. Though it isn't like we do not have the chances to have scored more goals. I would say that we need to invest in another creative midfielder, a right winger and a poacher with experience, so that if there were any loose balls in and around the 6 yard box, he would put them in the back of the net. How we're going to continue avoiding relegation if we don't score enough goals is beyond me. Something needs doing because - purely based on those stats you posted - the current system and players are not doing the business.
A fox for life Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 i can't believe people are saying hammond is better than Fryatt, hammond is a joke on legs. fryatt 3 years ago was voted in the top ten best players out of the prem. he had an awesome season last year, and so far has been dissapointing due to lack of confidence and because he hasn't played. its so harsh to say he worse than hammond!!! fryatt will come through, he's still young.
fosseman Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 i can't believe people are saying hammond is better than Fryatt, hammond is a joke on legs. fryatt 3 years ago was voted in the top ten best players out of the prem. he had an awesome season last year, and so far has been dissapointing due to lack of confidence and because he hasn't played. its so harsh to say he worse than hammond!!! fryatt will come through, he's still young. I wish I could be as optimistic as you about Fryatt. He could easily end up as another "nearly-man". When MM takes over he will surely look to bring in a striker (as well as a midfielder and a left back). Fryatt could be an early casualty of the new regime.
potter3 Posted 14 January 2007 Posted 14 January 2007 If I had a choice between, a new Striker, a good right winger, or a good attacking midfielder (that can actually pass and score), I'd choose the attacking midfielder. A right winger would be okay but we don't have particularly good headers of the ball from open play, a winger may be innefective. Maybe thats why Kelly has being playing Hughes, he can pass rather than cross. A good attacking midfielder could supply the killer pass for Hume or Fryatt. So I don't think we need a new striker, I think he would still be ineffective.
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