Managerial Success Analysis

[Monk]

I just did a quick analysis of the average number of points per game for each of our managers in our clubs history. It produces some very interesting results.

Kelly scores 0.2 above the club average, but behind Adams, O'Niell and Little.

And look at Brian Little at number 2! I never would have thought he'd be that high!

Name From To P W D L PPG

Frank O'Farrell December 1, 1968 June 6, 1971 114 51 35 28 1.65

Brian Little May 30, 1991 November 22, 1994 178 76 44 58 1.53

David Halliday July 1, 1955 October 31, 1958 145 64 27 54 1.51

Peter Hodge May 1, 1919 May 1, 1926 312 125 84 103 1.47

William Orr July 1, 1926 January 1, 1932 240 101 50 89 1.47

Norman Bullock December 1, 1949 February 1, 1955 231 91 64 76 1.46

James Blessington January 1, 1907 February 1, 1909 84 32 26 26 1.45

Micky Adams April 7, 2002 October 11, 2004 111 41 38 32 1.45

Martin O'Neill December 21, 1995 June 1, 2000 223 85 68 70 1.45

Matt Gillies November 1, 1959 December 1, 1968 437 174 105 158 1.43

William Clark August 1, 1896 May 31, 1897 30 13 4 13 1.43

Andy Aitken February 1, 1909 May 1, 1911 98 43 10 45 1.42

Frank Womack October 1, 1936 May 1, 1939 124 48 30 46 1.40

Rob Kelly February 13, 2006 Present 48 18 13 17 1.40

Jock Wallace May 24, 1978 July 12, 1982 169 62 48 59 1.38

Total Club Record August 1, 1896 Present 4218 1573 1093 1552 1.38

George Johnson August 1, 1898 January 1, 1907 301 114 72 115 1.38

Johnny Duncan March 1, 1946 October 1, 1949 154 56 42 56 1.36

Andy Lochhead August 1, 1934 October 1, 1936 97 36 20 41 1.32

Gordon Milne August 2, 1982 June 3, 1986 177 63 40 74 1.29

Peter Hodge March 1, 1932 July 31, 1934 102 34 27 41 1.26

David Pleat December 24, 1987 January 29, 1991 153 49 44 60 1.25

Jimmy Bloomfield June 23, 1971 May 23, 1977 264 75 99 90 1.23

John W Bartlett March 1, 1912 March 1, 1914 80 29 11 40 1.23

Peter Taylor June 12, 2000 September 30, 2001 54 19 9 26 1.22

Mark McGhee December 14, 1994 December 7, 1995 51 16 14 21 1.22

Craig Levein November 1, 2004 January 25, 2006 72 20 26 26 1.19

Gordon Lee January 30, 1991 May 29, 1991 20 7 2 11 1.15

Bryan Hamilton June 3, 1986 December 11, 1987 71 21 15 35 1.10

Dave Bassett October 10, 2001 April 6, 2002 27 4 8 15 0.74

Frank McLintock June 9, 1977 April 5, 1978 37 4 12 21 0.65

If you just take the managers since David Pleat the club average actually drops, meaning we have been on average worse since 1987, thanks to the performers in the bottom half of the table

Name From To P W D L PPG

Brian Little May 30, 1991 November 22, 1994 178 76 44 58 1.53

Micky Adams April 7, 2002 October 11, 2004 111 41 38 32 1.45

Martin O'Neill December 21, 1995 June 1, 2000 223 85 68 70 1.45

Rob Kelly February 13, 2006 Present 48 18 13 17 1.40

Total Club Record August 1, 1896 Present 560 220 163 177 1.36

David Pleat December 24, 1987 January 29, 1991 153 49 44 60 1.25

Peter Taylor June 12, 2000 September 30, 2001 54 19 9 26 1.22

Mark McGhee December 14, 1994 December 7, 1995 51 16 14 21 1.22

Craig Levein November 1, 2004 January 25, 2006 72 20 26 26 1.19

Dave Bassett October 10, 2001 April 6, 2002 27 4 8 15 0.74

*I got the raw data for this off the wikipedia page on LCFC

*I removed any managers who werein charge for under 10 games

Just thought it made some interesting reading, not sure if anyone has worked this out before.

[Strokes]

I just did a quick analysis of the average number of points per game for each of our managers in our clubs history. It produces some very interesting results.

Kelly scores 0.2 above the club average, but behind Adams, O'Niell and Little.

And look at Brian Little at number 2! I never would have thought he'd be that high!

Name From To P W D L PPG

Frank O'Farrell December 1, 1968 June 6, 1971 114 51 35 28 1.65

Brian Little May 30, 1991 November 22, 1994 178 76 44 58 1.53

David Halliday July 1, 1955 October 31, 1958 145 64 27 54 1.51

Peter Hodge May 1, 1919 May 1, 1926 312 125 84 103 1.47

William Orr July 1, 1926 January 1, 1932 240 101 50 89 1.47

Norman Bullock December 1, 1949 February 1, 1955 231 91 64 76 1.46

James Blessington January 1, 1907 February 1, 1909 84 32 26 26 1.45

Micky Adams April 7, 2002 October 11, 2004 111 41 38 32 1.45

Martin O'Neill December 21, 1995 June 1, 2000 223 85 68 70 1.45

Matt Gillies November 1, 1959 December 1, 1968 437 174 105 158 1.43

William Clark August 1, 1896 May 31, 1897 30 13 4 13 1.43

Andy Aitken February 1, 1909 May 1, 1911 98 43 10 45 1.42

Frank Womack October 1, 1936 May 1, 1939 124 48 30 46 1.40

Rob Kelly February 13, 2006 Present 48 18 13 17 1.40

Jock Wallace May 24, 1978 July 12, 1982 169 62 48 59 1.38

Total Club Record August 1, 1896 Present 4218 1573 1093 1552 1.38

George Johnson August 1, 1898 January 1, 1907 301 114 72 115 1.38

Johnny Duncan March 1, 1946 October 1, 1949 154 56 42 56 1.36

Andy Lochhead August 1, 1934 October 1, 1936 97 36 20 41 1.32

Gordon Milne August 2, 1982 June 3, 1986 177 63 40 74 1.29

Peter Hodge March 1, 1932 July 31, 1934 102 34 27 41 1.26

David Pleat December 24, 1987 January 29, 1991 153 49 44 60 1.25

Jimmy Bloomfield June 23, 1971 May 23, 1977 264 75 99 90 1.23

John W Bartlett March 1, 1912 March 1, 1914 80 29 11 40 1.23

Peter Taylor June 12, 2000 September 30, 2001 54 19 9 26 1.22

Mark McGhee December 14, 1994 December 7, 1995 51 16 14 21 1.22

Craig Levein November 1, 2004 January 25, 2006 72 20 26 26 1.19

Gordon Lee January 30, 1991 May 29, 1991 20 7 2 11 1.15

Bryan Hamilton June 3, 1986 December 11, 1987 71 21 15 35 1.10

Dave Bassett October 10, 2001 April 6, 2002 27 4 8 15 0.74

Frank McLintock June 9, 1977 April 5, 1978 37 4 12 21 0.65

If you just take the managers since David Pleat the club average actually drops, meaning we have been on average worse since 1987, thanks to the performers in the bottom half of the table

Name From To P W D L PPG

Brian Little May 30, 1991 November 22, 1994 178 76 44 58 1.53

Micky Adams April 7, 2002 October 11, 2004 111 41 38 32 1.45

Martin O'Neill December 21, 1995 June 1, 2000 223 85 68 70 1.45

Rob Kelly February 13, 2006 Present 48 18 13 17 1.40

Total Club Record August 1, 1896 Present 560 220 163 177 1.36

David Pleat December 24, 1987 January 29, 1991 153 49 44 60 1.25

Peter Taylor June 12, 2000 September 30, 2001 54 19 9 26 1.22

Mark McGhee December 14, 1994 December 7, 1995 51 16 14 21 1.22

Craig Levein November 1, 2004 January 25, 2006 72 20 26 26 1.19

Dave Bassett October 10, 2001 April 6, 2002 27 4 8 15 0.74

*I got the raw data for this off the wikipedia page on LCFC

*I removed any managers who werein charge for under 10 games

Just thought it made some interesting reading, not sure if anyone has worked this out before.

It doesn't quite tell a true story, some managers had their time in the top flight some didn't. Still interesting though.

[Thracian]

I just did a quick analysis of the average number of points per game for each of our managers in our clubs history. It produces some very interesting results.

Kelly scores 0.2 above the club average, but behind Adams, O'Niell and Little.

And look at Brian Little at number 2! I never would have thought he'd be that high!

Name From To P W D L PPG

Frank O'Farrell December 1, 1968 June 6, 1971 114 51 35 28 1.65

Brian Little May 30, 1991 November 22, 1994 178 76 44 58 1.53

David Halliday July 1, 1955 October 31, 1958 145 64 27 54 1.51

Peter Hodge May 1, 1919 May 1, 1926 312 125 84 103 1.47

William Orr July 1, 1926 January 1, 1932 240 101 50 89 1.47

Norman Bullock December 1, 1949 February 1, 1955 231 91 64 76 1.46

James Blessington January 1, 1907 February 1, 1909 84 32 26 26 1.45

Micky Adams April 7, 2002 October 11, 2004 111 41 38 32 1.45

Martin O'Neill December 21, 1995 June 1, 2000 223 85 68 70 1.45

Matt Gillies November 1, 1959 December 1, 1968 437 174 105 158 1.43

William Clark August 1, 1896 May 31, 1897 30 13 4 13 1.43

Andy Aitken February 1, 1909 May 1, 1911 98 43 10 45 1.42

Frank Womack October 1, 1936 May 1, 1939 124 48 30 46 1.40

Rob Kelly February 13, 2006 Present 48 18 13 17 1.40

Jock Wallace May 24, 1978 July 12, 1982 169 62 48 59 1.38

Total Club Record August 1, 1896 Present 4218 1573 1093 1552 1.38

George Johnson August 1, 1898 January 1, 1907 301 114 72 115 1.38

Johnny Duncan March 1, 1946 October 1, 1949 154 56 42 56 1.36

Andy Lochhead August 1, 1934 October 1, 1936 97 36 20 41 1.32

Gordon Milne August 2, 1982 June 3, 1986 177 63 40 74 1.29

Peter Hodge March 1, 1932 July 31, 1934 102 34 27 41 1.26

David Pleat December 24, 1987 January 29, 1991 153 49 44 60 1.25

Jimmy Bloomfield June 23, 1971 May 23, 1977 264 75 99 90 1.23

John W Bartlett March 1, 1912 March 1, 1914 80 29 11 40 1.23

Peter Taylor June 12, 2000 September 30, 2001 54 19 9 26 1.22

Mark McGhee December 14, 1994 December 7, 1995 51 16 14 21 1.22

Craig Levein November 1, 2004 January 25, 2006 72 20 26 26 1.19

Gordon Lee January 30, 1991 May 29, 1991 20 7 2 11 1.15

Bryan Hamilton June 3, 1986 December 11, 1987 71 21 15 35 1.10

Dave Bassett October 10, 2001 April 6, 2002 27 4 8 15 0.74

Frank McLintock June 9, 1977 April 5, 1978 37 4 12 21 0.65

If you just take the managers since David Pleat the club average actually drops, meaning we have been on average worse since 1987, thanks to the performers in the bottom half of the table

Name From To P W D L PPG

Brian Little May 30, 1991 November 22, 1994 178 76 44 58 1.53

Micky Adams April 7, 2002 October 11, 2004 111 41 38 32 1.45

Martin O'Neill December 21, 1995 June 1, 2000 223 85 68 70 1.45

Rob Kelly February 13, 2006 Present 48 18 13 17 1.40

Total Club Record August 1, 1896 Present 560 220 163 177 1.36

David Pleat December 24, 1987 January 29, 1991 153 49 44 60 1.25

Peter Taylor June 12, 2000 September 30, 2001 54 19 9 26 1.22

Mark McGhee December 14, 1994 December 7, 1995 51 16 14 21 1.22

Craig Levein November 1, 2004 January 25, 2006 72 20 26 26 1.19

Dave Bassett October 10, 2001 April 6, 2002 27 4 8 15 0.74

*I got the raw data for this off the wikipedia page on LCFC

*I removed any managers who werein charge for under 10 games

Just thought it made some interesting reading, not sure if anyone has worked this out before.

Those are interesting statistics but the relative achievement of each manager really needs to factor in the number of matches a manager was in charge and the division he was managing in.

For instance Matt Gillies managed for close to twice as many games as Martin O'Neill to achieve his record.

Gillies and O'Neill also managed in the top division and therefore came up against the best teams in the land whereas Kelly hasn't.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Excellent stuff Monk. :thumbup:

[Janx]

yeah but by your reckoning Chimpy, it would be better to have Brian Little as manager?? or Micky Adams!!!!!

[Monk]

Those are interesting statistics but the relative achievement of each manager really needs to factor in the number of matches a manager was in charge and the division he was managing in.

For instance Matt Gillies managed for close to twice as many games as Martin O'Neill to achieve his record.

Gillies and O'Neill also managed in the top division and therefore came up against the best teams in the land whereas Kelly hasn't.

I agree -though I am yet to find anywhere that offers raw data at this level. Might be worthwhile just doing it back to 1996 when O Niell took charge and do it by season. I will see what I can rustle up.

[lookwhaticando]

It's also interesting to note that RK isn't a million miles away from that oft-touted Managerial Maestro - Iain Dowie.

And he's a great improvement over Levein, who's amongst the worst of the managers so far.

[Janx]

I think Harry Bassett took over a very fuqed up squad...

[davieG]

I think Harry Bassett took over a very fuqed up squad...

No more than Brian Little, albeit in a different league.

[Janx]

No more than Brian Little, albeit in a different league.

yeah but he hadf a lot more games to turn it round?

[davieG]

yeah but he hadf a lot more games to turn it round?

Because he was successful early on.

[Janx]

Because he was successful early on.

let me just set this record straight, I am neither for nor against either.

[Fez of Mahrez]

No more than Brian Little, albeit in a different league.

Totally different having a crap squad in the second division to inheriting a crap team halfway through a season in the Premiership. Besides, Brian Little inherited players like David Kelly, Tommy Wright, Paul Kitson, David Oldfield, Steve Walsh, Ali Mauchlen, Tony James and Kevin Russell. It's a lot easier to build a decent second-tier side around players like that than haul the shite that Bassett inherited out of danger (most of the half-decent players already had an eye on the exit door IMO).

[davieG]

let me just set this record straight, I am neither for nor against either.

Never thought you were.

[Janx]

Totally different having a crap squad in the second division to inheriting a crap team halfway through a season in the Premiership. Besides, Brian Little inherited players like David Kelly, Tommy Wright, Paul Kitson, David Oldfield, Steve Walsh, Ali Mauchlen, Tony James and Kevin Russell. It's a lot easier to build a decent second-tier side around players like that than haul the shite that Bassett inherited out of danger (most of the half-decent players already had an eye on the exit door IMO).

total heroes!!! ROOOOOOSTTTERRRRRRRRRR!

[Geo V]

Quick analysis???!! Jeez Monk, you have issues !!!

[davieG]

Totally different having a crap squad in the second division to inheriting a crap team halfway through a season in the Premiership. Besides, Brian Little inherited players like David Kelly, Tommy Wright, Paul Kitson, David Oldfield, Steve Walsh, Ali Mauchlen, Tony James and Kevin Russell. It's a lot easier to build a decent second-tier side around players like that than haul the shite that Bassett inherited out of danger (most of the half-decent players already had an eye on the exit door IMO).

Well Pleat & Lee couldn't do it.

Didn't Bassett have Walker, Izzet, Savage, Elliott, Sinclair?

Irrespective Bassett was crap.

[Fez of Mahrez]

Well Pleat & Lee couldn't do it.

Didn't Bassett have Walker, Izzet, Savage, Elliott, Sinclair?

Irrespective Bassett was crap.

Bassett was crap and Little did well but very different situations. Even the players you list, they're no Flowers/Lennon/Collymore/Heskey.

Birrova pointless argument anyway yeah.

[davieG]

Bassett was crap and Little did well but very different situations. Even the players you list, they're no Flowers/Lennon/Collymore/Heskey.

Birrova pointless argument anyway yeah.

Can't disagree with a word of that!

[Thracian]

It's also interesting to note that RK isn't a million miles away from that oft-touted Managerial Maestro - Iain Dowie.

And he's a great improvement over Levein, who's amongst the worst of the managers so far.

It has been noted and I can see no merit in having totally unnecessary in favour of a manager who to me presents no evidence that he would be likely to do a better job.

There is no point in change for its own sake. Kelly has got a steady record, knows the club and knows the players. If an exciting alternative emerged and Kelly was showing no signs of making progress then fine, but pointless upheaval could backfire more easily than it might be successful.

[Floating Fox]

Adam's has got more Than MON

As someone pointed out though the leagues we're different

[Steven]

Top job Monk.

[Flynny]

Adams was never really awful though, in fairness. I thought he was fairly decent.

[Monk]

I think I might start a series of threads with the theme "Monk's Stats". Interested? Or am I just being utterly boring?

[Fez of Mahrez]

I think I might start a series of threads with the theme "Monk's Stats". Interested? Or am I just being utterly boring?

Factual and thought-provoking. More please.